tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6579213173749170024.post2826778471684237197..comments2024-01-02T02:18:30.960-08:00Comments on Israel Thrives: What to do About Pamela Geller?Mike L.http://www.blogger.com/profile/06450806807610560873noreply@blogger.comBlogger35125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6579213173749170024.post-26878420017366514412012-07-01T23:06:15.892-07:002012-07-01T23:06:15.892-07:00Thank you very much, JayinPhiladelphia. Thank you ...Thank you very much, JayinPhiladelphia. Thank you for your kind sharing that about yourself. Thank you very much for your kind support to me. Your kind sharing that about yourself and your kind support to me is a comfort to me and a support to me.<br /><br />The OCD that I have is debilitating to me. The OCD that I have makes me feel that with almost every volition action that I do (such as opening window shades; typing words on the computer keyboard; walking in any particular direction when trying to go somewhere in the house from room to room and from any place in any room to any other place in that room; etc.; saying something; not saying something; thinking something) I am causing metaphysical harm to whomever person or people pop up in my mind at the time when I am doing that volitional action, and that feeling that I feel is very distressing to me, and I feel that I need to re-do, and re-do with a certain intent, that volitional action to "neutralize" or "undo" the metaphysical harm that I feel that I have caused to whomever person or people who popped up in my mind at the time when I initially did that volitional action. However, when I re-do that volition action, I usually feel that I have caused metaphysical harm to whomever I am thinking about at the time when I re-do that volition action, and that feeling that I feel is very distressing to me, and I feel that I need to re-do that volitional action again, and I sometimes keep repeating that volitional action; and feeling the feeling that I feel that I am causing metaphysical harm to whomever I am thinking about when I am doing that volitional action makes me feel remorse and guilt, and makes me feel distressed; and repeating that volitional actions makes me feel frustrated; and I always eventually stop repeating that volitional action, and sometimes I don't repeat that volitional action at all, and I almost always end up feeling that I have caused metaphysical harm to someone, and I almost always end up feeling guilt and remorse, and I almost always end up feeling frustration, and I almost always end up feeling distressed.<br /><br />However, I hope that someday I will be able to overcome this affliction that I am currently experiencing.Daniel Bielakhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15792786894694523598noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6579213173749170024.post-62582226742280726782012-07-01T21:10:07.553-07:002012-07-01T21:10:07.553-07:00Sorry to hear of the OCD, Daniel. I have it, too....Sorry to hear of the OCD, Daniel. I have it, too. Mine manifests itself mostly in the form of my having to check (and quite often, re-check and three-check) about a dozen things in a very specific order, and in a very specific way, before I leave my apartment, every single time, even if I'm only walking down the block to the corner deli to pick up a roll of paper towels or something.<br /><br />Also when I'm out, I have to put my subway pass or my bank card back in my wallet, or my cash back in my pocket, etc etc, a very specific way, and then after that's done I have to 'pat my pockets down,' so to speak, to make sure everything's still all there, and where it should be. Ideally, I try to quickly and casually do the pat-down thing five times, but never eight. Never eight times. If I think there's even a slight chance I've done it eight times, I'll do it two or three more times just to be 'safe.'<br /><br />I have it down to an art so I don't look (at least, I don't think I do...) too obvious in public, but in the end I care more about the peace of mind it brings me than what some random stranger thinks of what I'm doing.<br /><br />Mine ultimately isn't too debilitating, but I've definitely missed a few buses and a train or two before, because of it. Specifically the 'taking at least five minutes to leave the house' thing. I know, intellectually, that my patterns are ridiculous, but damned if I know how to break them. Anyway, yeah. Just wanted to let you know you're not alone on that, even here.JayinPhiladelphiahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14556212008313470286noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6579213173749170024.post-30533125820493012732012-07-01T13:51:05.610-07:002012-07-01T13:51:05.610-07:00Randall, therein too lies my problems with her...a...Randall, therein too lies my problems with her...a lot of her politics. However, I don't take politics too seriously anymore so I remain still open to those things she says that are correct IMO. But I can perfectly understand your position on this.Doodadhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03349941094682080146noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6579213173749170024.post-990747274910574372012-07-01T13:10:05.912-07:002012-07-01T13:10:05.912-07:00Pam Geller has a decision to make. She can
1) E...Pam Geller has a decision to make. She can <br /><br />1) Either separate her pro-Israel activism from her hardline right-wing Randianism and thereby become a highly effective leader in the defense of Israel; or<br /><br />2) Fuse the two causes together as she does now on her blog, thereby thoroughly pissing off liberals and lefties who mostly agree with her Middle East efforts but who will not tolerate having her libertarian swill jammed down their throats.<br /><br />And that's where I am now.<br /><br />Last week she apporvingly quoted Mitch McConnell's crap about Obama being the worst threat to free speech evah due to his opposition to the Citzens United decision. I made a rude comment about how money is NOT speech, and it was deleted.<br /><br />Fair enuf. It was indeed a rude comment.<br /><br />A few days ago she huffed that health care is not a right. I commented, "Health care IS a right. hose who feel otherwise can move to Somalia." <br /><br />That comment was also deleted. <br /><br />My position here is this: Those who espouse corporatism and its handmaiden, libertarianism, are dead to me. Her blog used to be a favorite stop of mine. Now I won't read it, link to it, or take part in any discussion involving it (after this one). Life is too short.Randall Kohnhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06262147784760614189noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6579213173749170024.post-67449849867345273922012-07-01T11:17:55.393-07:002012-07-01T11:17:55.393-07:00Daniel I am pretty much with you on what you say. ...Daniel I am pretty much with you on what you say. Islam has a vicious past and in a lot of places in the present (perhaps not Dearborn,perhaps not yet) a vicious present.<br /><br />Nonie Darwish tells us that over 75% of AMERICAN Egyptians voted for the Muslim Brotherhood compared to Egyptians actually living in the country voted about 50/50. WTF???????<br /><br />Houston, we have a problem!<br /><br />http://frontpagemag.com/2012/06/21/over-75-of-egyptian-americans-voted-for-islamist/Doodadhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03349941094682080146noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6579213173749170024.post-36163991610165459462012-07-01T07:33:07.113-07:002012-07-01T07:33:07.113-07:00"What it means may not be"
What it mean..."<i>What it means may not be</i>"<br /><br />What it means is clear to those who know the tenets of Islam, and who know the 1400 history of Islam.<br /><br />-----<br /><br />I realize that some people may perceive me as not being a knowledgable nor intelligent person and as, therein, not being a credible person -- because of certain ways that I have posted and because of certain ways that I have written. However those ways that I have posted, and those ways that I have written have been because I suffer from severe OCD. And I realize that the expressing, in the past, of the fact that I suffer from OCD may also have caused people to perceive me as as not being a knowledgable or intelligent or credible person. However: I am knowledgable and intelligent and I strive to communicate that which I know and understand to be true and I strive to not communicate that which is not true.<br /><br />OCD is not a derangement, and is not an impairment of intellect.<br /><br />I hope that what I am trying to communicate about the crucial issue of Islam will be listened to.<br /><br />Please read what I have written about Islam in my comment with which I replied to geofff here: http://israel-thrives.blogspot.com/2012/06/what-to-do-about-pamela-geller.html?showComment=1341117570804#c1868804250522801347<br /><br />Please listen to the following discourse on Islam and Muslim culture by Raymond Ibrahim:<br /><br />Raymond Ibrahim: The Muslim Perspective<br />http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c-MXrGjujjo<br /><br />Please listen to the following summary overview of the tenets of Islam:<br /><br />3 Things You Should Know About Islam ما يجب أن تعرفه عن الإسلام<br />http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZHdMlT3E7cgDaniel Bielakhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15792786894694523598noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6579213173749170024.post-79133060195986277932012-06-30T23:29:06.347-07:002012-06-30T23:29:06.347-07:00When I read the daily news, there is only one reli...When I read the daily news, there is only one religion each and every single day at the centre of some new atrocity. I know it; you know it; everyone knows it. That much is clear. What it means may not be, but that much is clear and that it must stop is also clear. Ignoring it; refusing ti talk about it and say its name will not solve anything.Doodadhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03349941094682080146noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6579213173749170024.post-14626867950984205482012-06-30T22:38:38.692-07:002012-06-30T22:38:38.692-07:00The bottom line question is whether or not non-Mus...The bottom line question is whether or not non-Muslims, Jews, women, and Gay people are under a significantly disproportional threat in, or around, Islamic land compared to most of the rest of the world.<br /><br />It seems to me that the obvious answer to that question is "yes."<br /><br />The Jews of the Middle East have been under siege for 1,400 hundred years because of Arab-Muslim religious bigotry against us.<br /><br />Women are a subjugated class, despite however much western feminists assure as that the burka is liberating.<br /><br />And Gay people? Fuggedaboutit. They don't even exist in Iran accord to Ahmadinejad.<br /><br />And these tendencies are not decreasing, but increasing in recent decades, since Iran fell to the mullahs.<br /><br />I think that my strongest, most fundamental problem with the western left is their failure to take this seriously.<br /><br />It should be taken seriously and I would thank people like Geller and Spencer for warning the public... because somebody has to, dammit.<br /><br />We need not agree with them on all things, but we must stop burying our heads.<br /><br />Oh, and I would thank Dan Bielak, as well. The man is vigilant. We need not agree with him about everything, either, but he's definitely a curious and not unfair mind on an essential issue.<br /><br />{Karam has spoken!}<br /><br />:O)Mike L.https://www.blogger.com/profile/06450806807610560873noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6579213173749170024.post-48312358332669905272012-06-30T21:59:19.186-07:002012-06-30T21:59:19.186-07:00Again, listen to what ex-Muslims say about Islam. ...Again, listen to what ex-Muslims say about Islam. They know Islam, and they're trying to warn others.<br /><br />http://www.apostatesofislam.com<br /><br />http://www.faithfreedom.org<br /><br />http://www.youtube.com/user/AhmadsQuran5<br /><br />http://www.youtube.com/user/ExMuslimUK<br /><br />http://www.youtube.com/user/exmuslimNfree<br /><br />http://www.youtube.com/user/TXHalabi<br /><br />Wafa Sultan: Islam Is Incompatible with Western Law<br />http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z8n-JYdpxU4<br /><br />Ayaan Hirsi Ali Responds to Questions at Ohio University<br />http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XmIBFTEUqz4<br /><br />----<br /><br />Again:<br /><br /><b>Islam penalty for apostasy</b> (The answer to the question: "What is the punishment for leaving Islam?"; the answer: <b>death</b>)<br />http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7XRCYlZ4XOQ<br /><br /><b>3 Things You Should Know About Islam ما يجب أن تعرفه عن الإسلام</b><br />http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZHdMlT3E7cg<br /><br /><b>Raymond Ibrahim: The Muslim Perspective</b><br />http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c-MXrGjujjoDaniel Bielakhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15792786894694523598noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6579213173749170024.post-18688042505228013472012-06-30T21:39:30.804-07:002012-06-30T21:39:30.804-07:00geoffff,
Yes, of course, any religion can become ...geoffff,<br /><br />Yes, of course, any religion can become detrimental.<br /><br />However, Islam, as defined by the official texts of Islam, is, in itself, detrimental.<br /><br />Please see my two comments that I posted in reply to Stuart here: http://israel-thrives.blogspot.com/2012/06/what-to-do-about-pamela-geller.html?showComment=1341111643560#c3895726431826592066<br /><br />I posted those comments in the wrong thread by accident -- in reply to Doodad instead of in reply to Stuart. I've been having trouble posting comments. Comments that I've posted have been automatically deleted immediately after I've posted them.<br /><br />----<br /><br />But just to summarize briefly here:<br /><br />According to the official texts of Islam, the Qur'an, the Hadith, and the Sira:<br /><br />O The Qur'an was written by the deity of the religion Islam, Allah, and was transcribed by one person, Mohamed, and cannot be altered in any way; and altering the Qur'an in any way is a crime punishable by death<br /><br />O The Qur'an was written in parts, and according to what the official texts of Islam refer to as the principal of abrogation, the early parts of the Qur'an, which are the parts which contain peaceful passages, are abrogated by -- are annulled by and replaced by -- the later parts of the Quran, which contain violent passages such as passages which command Muslims to fight against, and kill, all non-Muslims in the world (Note: According to the official texts of Islam, the chapters of the Qu'ran are layed out not in the order in which they were written. According to the official texts of Islam, the chapters of the Qur'an are layed out in the Qur'an not in sequential order of the earliest written chapter to the last written chapter)<br /><br />O An effort -- called "Jihad" (which literally means "effort" in Arabic) -- is mandated, for all Muslims, to establish Islamic law -- Sharia -- as the governmental system for the whole world.<br /><br />O The engaging in the use of deception as tactics -- tactics called Taqiyya and Kitman -- in the effort of Jihad is sanctioned and mandated. Taqiyaa is the telling of a complete untruth in effort of Jihad; The tactic of Kitman is the telling of a half-truth in the effort of Jihad<br /><br />O Criticizing Mohamed, the founder of Islam, is a crime to be punished by death<br /><br />O Leaving Islam is a crime to be punished by death<br /><br />O Islam is "a religion and a state"<br /><br />Furthermore, about the comparison between the words in the Torah that are devoted to political violence and the words in the Qur'an that are devoted to political violence:<br /><br />There are many more words devoted to political violence in the Islamic texts than there are in the Torah.<br /><br /><b>More importantly:</b><br /><br />The text in the Torah that refers to violence done by the Israelites are descriptions of what the Torah refers to as historical wars between the Israelites and other groups.<br /><br />The text in the Islamic texts that describe violence are open-ended direct commands to Muslims to do violence to non-Muslims.<br /><br />Note: the word "islam" is an Arabic word, and literally means "submission". The Arabic word "islam" not mean "peace". The Arabic word that means "peace" is "salam".Daniel Bielakhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15792786894694523598noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6579213173749170024.post-90944536327326608142012-06-30T20:46:12.469-07:002012-06-30T20:46:12.469-07:00Stuart, you wrote:
"Daniel, I've read yo...Stuart, you wrote:<br /><br />"<i>Daniel, I've read your posts here. Many of them over and over and over again. Some of them refer to things I read about before you were born. None of them, including what you've posted here today, about orthodox Islam, is proof or even evidence, that violent jihad is intrinsic to the religion, anymore than the text of the Torah is proof that Judaism is an intrinsically violent.</i>"<br /><br />Stuart,<br /><br />There are many more words devoted to political violence in the Islamic texts than there are in the Torah.<br /><br />More importantly,<br /><br />The text in the Torah that refers to violence done by the Israelites are descriptions of what the Torah refers to as historical wars between the Israelites and other groups.<br /><br />The text in the Islamic texts that describe violence are open-ended direct commands to do violence to non-Muslims.<br /><br />Stuart, I recommend that you watch the videos that I listed in my previous comments.<br /><br />----<br /><br />Also:<br /><br />Resources of information about Islam by ex-Muslims:<br /><br />http://www.apostatesofislam.com<br /><br />http://www.faithfreedom.org<br /><br />http://www.youtube.com/user/AhmadsQuran5<br /><br />http://www.youtube.com/user/ExMuslimUK<br /><br />http://www.youtube.com/user/exmuslimNfree<br /><br />http://www.youtube.com/user/TXHalabi<br /><br />====<br /><br />Stuart, you wrote:<br /><br />"<i>If violent jihad was intrinsic to the religion, how do you explain the relatively peaceful Muslim community in Detroit?</i>"<br /><br /><b>David Wood of ACT 17 Apologetics @ the Jessica Mokdad Human Rights Conference</b><br />http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Li_LdZhPjZo<br /><br />Arab Festival 2010: More Lies Mayor? A Response to Dearborn Mayor John C. O'Reilly<br />http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BhUJ7ujOWBA<br /><br /><b>Audio-Video recorded at the 2010 Dearborn Arab Festival; Audio-Video recorded by members of ACT 17 Apologetics:</b><br /><br />Arab Festival 2010: False Accusations and Shoddy Police Work<br />http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bo51z7DORQg<br /><br />Arab Festival 2010: Double Standards in Dearborn<br />http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fm8NdH9BInI<br /><br />Arab Festival 2010: Harassing Muslims? Nabeel Dialogues with Hakeem<br />http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DU-J3pNaSgk<br /><br />Arab Festival 2010: Dearborn Police Defending Islam against the Constitution<br />http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Smw9QuH1xkA<br /><br />Arab Festival 2010: David Wood's Arrest in Dearborn<br />http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ID1_Sc7lZ2w<br /><br />----<br /><br />Stuart, you wrote:<br /><br />"...<i>Or many of the peaceful Muslim communities in SE Asia?</i>..."<br /><br />Indonesia: Aceh authorities misunderstand Islam, close and plan to demolish 20 churches<br />http://www.jihadwatch.org/2012/06/indonesia-aceh-authorities-misunderstand-islam-close-and-plan-to-demolish-20-churches.html<br /><br />Indonesia: Publisher burns copies of book that Islamic supremacists claimed insulted Muhammad, apologizes for publishing it<br />http://www.jihadwatch.org/2012/06/indonesia-publisher-burns-copies-of-book-that-islamic-supremacist-claimed-insulted-muhammad-apologiz.html<br /><br />Indonesia's Sharia province to ban sales of tight clothing<br />http://www.jihadwatch.org/2012/06/indonesias-sharia-province-to-ban-sales-of-tight-clothing.html<br /><br />Malaysian government views LGBT community as a 'spreading problem' to be stopped<br />http://www.jihadwatch.org/2012/06/malaysian-government-views-lgbt-community-as-a-spreading-problem-to-be-stopped.html<br /><br />'Moderate' Malaysia: where (non Muslim) tradition is prohibited<br />http://www.jihadwatch.org/2012/06/moderate-malaysia-update-the-country-where-non-muslim-tradition-is-prohibited.html<br /><br />Indonesian jihadist asks Muslims not to commit jihad at home: "If you want to do jihad, do it in another country such as Palestine, where Islamic people need help"<br />http://www.jihadwatch.org/2012/06/indonesian-jihadist-asks-muslims-not-to-commit-jihad-at-home-if-you-want-to-do-jihad-do-it-in-anothe.html<br /><br />(continued)Daniel Bielakhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15792786894694523598noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6579213173749170024.post-38957264318265920662012-06-30T20:00:43.560-07:002012-06-30T20:00:43.560-07:00Stuart,
I recommend that you watch the videos tha...Stuart,<br /><br />I recommend that you watch the videos that I listed in my previous comments.<br /><br />Also:<br /><br />Resources of information about Islam by ex-Muslims:<br /><br />http://www.apostatesofislam.com<br /><br />http://www.faithfreedom.org<br /><br />http://www.youtube.com/user/AhmadsQuran5<br /><br />http://www.youtube.com/user/ExMuslimUK<br /><br />http://www.youtube.com/user/exmuslimNfree<br /><br />http://www.youtube.com/user/TXHalabi<br /><br />====<br /><br />You wrote:<br /><br />"<i>Daniel, I've read your posts here. Many of them over and over and over again. Some of them refer to things I read about before you were born. None of them, including what you've posted here today, about orthodox Islam, is proof or even evidence, that violent jihad is intrinsic to the religion, anymore than the text of the Torah is proof that Judaism is an intrinsically violent.</i>"<br /><br />Stuart,<br /><br />There are approximately ten times more words devoted to political violence in the Islamic texts than there are in the Torah.<br /><br />Moreover,<br /><br />The text in the Torah that refers to violence done by the Israelites are descriptions of what the Torah refers to as historical wars between the Israelites and other groups.<br /><br />The text in the Islamic texts that describe violence are open-ended direct commands to do violence to non-Muslims.<br /><br />====<br /><br /><br />"<i>If violent jihad was intrinsic to the religion, how do you explain the relatively peaceful Muslim community in Detroit?</i>"<br /><br /><b>David Wood of ACT 17 Apologetics @ the Jessica Mokdad Human Rights Conference</b><br />http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Li_LdZhPjZo<br /><br />Arab Festival 2010: More Lies Mayor? A Response to Dearborn Mayor John C. O'Reilly<br />http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BhUJ7ujOWBA<br /><br />----<br /><br /><b>Audio-Video recorded at the 2010 Dearborn Arab Festival; Audio-Video recorded by members of ACT 17 Apologetics:</b><br /><br />Arab Festival 2010: False Accusations and Shoddy Police Work<br />http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bo51z7DORQg<br /><br />Arab Festival 2010: Double Standards in Dearborn<br />http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fm8NdH9BInI<br /><br />Arab Festival 2010: Harassing Muslims? Nabeel Dialogues with Hakeem<br />http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DU-J3pNaSgk<br /><br />Arab Festival 2010: Dearborn Police Defending Islam against the Constitution<br />http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Smw9QuH1xkA<br /><br />Arab Festival 2010: David Wood's Arrest in Dearborn<br />http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ID1_Sc7lZ2w<br /><br />====<br /><br />Stuart, you wrote:<br /><br />"...<i>Or many of the peaceful Muslim communities in SE Asia?</i>..."<br /><br />Indonesia: Aceh authorities misunderstand Islam, close and plan to demolish 20 churches<br />http://www.jihadwatch.org/2012/06/indonesia-aceh-authorities-misunderstand-islam-close-and-plan-to-demolish-20-churches.html<br /><br />Indonesia: Publisher burns copies of book that Islamic supremacists claimed insulted Muhammad, apologizes for publishing it<br />http://www.jihadwatch.org/2012/06/indonesia-publisher-burns-copies-of-book-that-islamic-supremacist-claimed-insulted-muhammad-apologiz.html<br /><br />Indonesia's Sharia province to ban sales of tight clothing<br />http://www.jihadwatch.org/2012/06/indonesias-sharia-province-to-ban-sales-of-tight-clothing.html<br /><br />Malaysian government views LGBT community as a 'spreading problem' to be stopped<br />http://www.jihadwatch.org/2012/06/malaysian-government-views-lgbt-community-as-a-spreading-problem-to-be-stopped.html<br /><br />'Moderate' Malaysia: where (non Muslim) tradition is prohibited<br />http://www.jihadwatch.org/2012/06/moderate-malaysia-update-the-country-where-non-muslim-tradition-is-prohibited.html<br /><br />Indonesian jihadist asks Muslims not to commit jihad at home: "If you want to do jihad, do it in another country such as Palestine, where Islamic people need help"<br />http://www.jihadwatch.org/2012/06/indonesian-jihadist-asks-muslims-not-to-commit-jihad-at-home-if-you-want-to-do-jihad-do-it-in-anothe.html<br /><br />(continued)Daniel Bielakhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15792786894694523598noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6579213173749170024.post-20737627675890974352012-06-30T17:55:24.132-07:002012-06-30T17:55:24.132-07:00I don't always disagree with you. This is one ...I don't always disagree with you. This is one of those times. It is a clear and present danger.Stuarthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09405170992142157365noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6579213173749170024.post-23390589067331248402012-06-30T17:46:51.768-07:002012-06-30T17:46:51.768-07:00You say:
'We first need to recognize the fact...You say:<br /><br />'We first need to recognize the fact that the vast majority of Muslims are absolutely not engaged in the violent Jihad."<br /><br />First, I sincerely appreciate that recognition. <br /><br />Additionally, I think it answers your question above. If the majority of Muslims are not engaged in violent Jihad, then, by definition, it is not intrinsic to the religion.Stuarthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09405170992142157365noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6579213173749170024.post-35836631917967194902012-06-30T17:44:31.991-07:002012-06-30T17:44:31.991-07:00Yes, but there is, whether we like it or not and w...Yes, but there is, whether we like it or not and whether we acknowledge it or not, an exceedingly large and dangerous Islamist movement throughout the Middle East taking over governments.<br /><br />This is not a few fringe crazies, like American skin-head types. These are governments emerging in Turkey and Tunisia and Egypt and God only knows wherever else.<br /><br />We cannot be blase about this because the stakes are just huge, particularly for the Jews of the region and all non-Muslims there.<br /><br />Stuart, I do not think that we need to run around like chickens without heads because of this, but I am exceedingly dissatisfied with the progressive-left failure to even discuss the matter.<br /><br />And it is an important matter.Mike L.https://www.blogger.com/profile/06450806807610560873noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6579213173749170024.post-52125680206351470022012-06-30T17:43:13.697-07:002012-06-30T17:43:13.697-07:00Daniel, I've read your posts here. Many of the...Daniel, I've read your posts here. Many of them over and over and over again. Some of them refer to things I read about before you were born. None of them, including what you've posted here today, about orthodox Islam, is proof or even evidence, that violent jihad is intrinsic to the religion, anymore than the text of the Torah is proof that Judaism is an intrinsically violent. If violent jihad was intrinsic to the religion, how do you explain the relatively peaceful Muslim community in Detroit? Or many of the peaceful Muslim communities in SE Asia? The argument is incompatible with the hundreds of millions of peaceful Muslims.Stuarthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09405170992142157365noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6579213173749170024.post-40818794538297638952012-06-30T17:40:19.325-07:002012-06-30T17:40:19.325-07:00Wafa Sultan: Islam Is Incompatible with Western La...Wafa Sultan: Islam Is Incompatible with Western Law<br />http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z8n-JYdpxU4<br /><br />Faith Under Fire: Clare Lopez - Islamic Persecution of Religious Minorities in Doctrine and History<br />http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fSHUhzAyZCc<br /><br />Ayaan Hirsi Ali at AAI 07: Part 1 of 2<br />http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HuaMHiMsRuY<br /><br />Ayaan Hirsi Ali Responds to Questions at Ohio University<br />http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XmIBFTEUqz4<br /><br />Islam penalty for apostasy (The answer to the question: "What is the punishment for leaving Islam?"; the answer: <b>death</b>)<br />http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7XRCYlZ4XOQ<br /><br />3 Things You Should Know About Islam ما يجب أن تعرفه عن الإسلام<br />http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZHdMlT3E7cgDaniel Bielakhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15792786894694523598noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6579213173749170024.post-69847053867293718762012-06-30T17:27:00.907-07:002012-06-30T17:27:00.907-07:00Stuart,
You wrote:
"Daniel, I'm going t...Stuart,<br /><br />You wrote:<br /><br />"Daniel, I'm going to pretend that you didn't just compare all of Islam to the Nazis. If you had, I'd have to include you asshat idiocy party that includes Pamela Gellar."<br /><br />Authoritative Islam -- orthodox Islam -- original Islam -- Islam as defined by the official texts of Islam -- is an ideology and system of government that, in fact, is similar to, and comparable to, Nazism. Furthermore, the totalitarian tenets and nature of authoritative Islam are similar to the totalitarian tenets and nature of Marxist Soviet Communism. Furthermore, throughout the past 1400 years that Islam has existed, the adherents of authoritative Islam, orthodox Muslims, in accordance with authoritative Islam, have attacked and annihilated many civilizations, and have killed over one hundred million members of those civilizations. Moreover, there is currently existing in the world a huge revival of authoritative Islam, which is a revival of authoritative Islam that began in the 1920's, in response to the abolishment of the Islamic Caliphate by Kemal Ataturk in 1924.<br /><br />I compared the religious and political ideology and system of government authoritative Islam -- orthodox Islam -- original Islam -- Islam as defined by the official texts of Islam -- to the ideology and system of government Nazism.<br /><br />My comparing the religious and political ideology and system of government authoritative Islam -- orthodox Islam -- original Islam -- Islam as defined by the official texts of Islam -- to the ideology and system of government Nazism was appropriate.<br /><br />Your expressing belief that my comparing the religious and political ideology and system of government authoritative Islam -- orthodox Islam -- original Islam -- Islam as defined by the official texts of Islam -- to the ideology and system of government Nazism is wrong, and your expressing antipathy toward me for having done so, and your doing so at this particular time in the world when there is existing in the world a huge global genocidally anti-Jewish totalitarian Islamic supremacist political movement, is wrong, and demonstrates ignorance that you are in.<br /><br />"I think you're ill equipped to pursue this discussion."<br /><br />You have demonstrated that you lack knowledge that is required to competently engage in this discussion. Moreover, you, apparently, have refused to seek out such knowledge.Daniel Bielakhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15792786894694523598noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6579213173749170024.post-86146685901698974752012-06-30T17:11:28.292-07:002012-06-30T17:11:28.292-07:00I'm pretty comfortable opposing theocratic law...I'm pretty comfortable opposing theocratic law of any kind. I've heard quite a few rabbis calling current world figures Amalek. The Quran is hardly unique in it's call for violence.Stuarthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09405170992142157365noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6579213173749170024.post-14465926601752765552012-06-30T16:47:38.562-07:002012-06-30T16:47:38.562-07:00Well, we need to draw a distinction between what i...Well, we need to draw a distinction between what is in the Koran and the hadiths and the behavior of most Muslim people.<br /><br />We first need to recognize the fact that the vast majority of Muslims are absolutely not engaged in the violent Jihad.<br /><br />But it remains undeniably true that the Koran and the hadiths contain elements which call directly for the submission, by force if necessary, of the dhimmis.<br /><br />This is why I am opposed to Sharia as the basis of government anywhere, because it makes of us second and third class citizens.<br /><br />Thus we have to oppose the imposition of Islamic religious law upon sovereign states.Mike L.https://www.blogger.com/profile/06450806807610560873noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6579213173749170024.post-86215771581047692682012-06-30T16:47:15.697-07:002012-06-30T16:47:15.697-07:00Ok, thanks, Doodad.
BTW: Some of her politics cou...Ok, thanks, Doodad.<br /><br />BTW: Some of her politics could be categorized as being "more conservative" than mine too. :)<br /><br />...in that, for example, I view the U.S. military invasion of Iraq as being as being a harmful wrong action, and in that, for example, I view all violent action as being harmful wrong action.Daniel Bielakhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15792786894694523598noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6579213173749170024.post-23750490515224659442012-06-30T16:40:21.660-07:002012-06-30T16:40:21.660-07:00Daniel, I'm going to pretend that you didn'...Daniel, I'm going to pretend that you didn't just compare all of Islam to the Nazis. If you had, I'd have to include you asshat idiocy party that includes Pamela Gellar. <br /><br />Beyond that, Michael likes you, so I'll leave it at that. I think you're ill equipped to pursue this discussion.Stuarthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09405170992142157365noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6579213173749170024.post-8099547186547627602012-06-30T15:31:46.153-07:002012-06-30T15:31:46.153-07:00Take him.
He's yours!Take him.<br /><br />He's yours!Mike L.https://www.blogger.com/profile/06450806807610560873noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6579213173749170024.post-17960942023773044672012-06-30T15:12:41.507-07:002012-06-30T15:12:41.507-07:00Mike,
I find this a vaguely disturbing revelation...Mike,<br /><br />I find this a vaguely disturbing revelation. Any room in this bro-mance for me?puzzledhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11837081777373751288noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6579213173749170024.post-38354786389360970952012-06-30T15:11:28.272-07:002012-06-30T15:11:28.272-07:00Daniel, no problems. It was not harsh. Her politic...Daniel, no problems. It was not harsh. Her politics are more conservative than mine are. That's all I meant.Doodadhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03349941094682080146noreply@blogger.com