tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6579213173749170024.post392215796434245166..comments2024-01-02T02:18:30.960-08:00Comments on Israel Thrives: It's about Standing Up for the Human Rights of the Jewish PeopleMike L.http://www.blogger.com/profile/06450806807610560873noreply@blogger.comBlogger6125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6579213173749170024.post-68547221578082703232012-12-19T17:41:28.126-08:002012-12-19T17:41:28.126-08:00Dan, in case you didn't notice, I put a hard-l...Dan, in case you didn't notice, I put a hard-link to this piece on the upper right corner of the site and do intend, going forward, to... I don't know... <i>editorialize</i> some of your bullet points.Mike L.https://www.blogger.com/profile/06450806807610560873noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6579213173749170024.post-49497750817354495672012-12-19T12:12:59.674-08:002012-12-19T12:12:59.674-08:00ziontruth, yes.
Mike, yes.
But, as Randall expre...ziontruth, yes.<br /><br />Mike, yes.<br /><br />But, as Randall expressed in a comment on the initial instance of this article that was deleted, telling these facts can go a long way in informing, and convincing of the truth, people who, as Randall said, are truly human.<br /><br />It's precisely telling these facts -- the facts that are listed in this article -- that are what can show people the truth. It's precisely telling these facts that is what needs to be done.<br /><br />Most people don't know these facts.<br /><br />Jewish people underestimate the ignorance of most other people about the situation, and underestimate the importance of telling basic essential facts.<br /><br />There are, of course, the relatively many fervent ideologically genocidal, and always sanctimonious, anti-Jewish bigots (of all political backgrounds -- "Left", "Right", and "Center") (most of whom, at this time, are very many of "the members of" the populist contemporary "Left"). And Jewish people who are involved in trying to defend the attacked collective of the Jewish people focus on those anti-Jewish bigots and react to those bigots and tailor their responses toward, and about, those bigots. That's a mistake. Most people are not fervent ideologically genocidal anti-Jewish bigots. Most people are just completely ignorant, and are being told lies (visually and verbally) -- unanimously -- by the Western mainstream mass media, by Western academia, by Western governments, by the United Nations, by so-called "Human Rights organizations" etc. What needs to be done is to refute those lies and dispel those lies -- BY TELLING THE TRUTH -- THE BASIC ESSENTIAL FACTS OF THE SITUATION! IT'S THAT SIMPLE!<br /><br />Jewish people make things much more complicated than they need to be and than they are. They think that they need to write complex treatises on what are actually abstract unessential, and, moreover, false, concepts in order to communicate simple basic essential facts that could be understood by others with basic simple statements of facts. One of the main reasons for this is that many Jewish people -- particularly the supposedly most "sophisticated" and "erudite" Jewish people -- don't understand simple basic essential facts and the meanings of those simple basic essential facts. They don't see the forest for the trees. They don't even see the trees for the leaves. They write treatises on the changes in the veins of leaves during a forest fire. This is a big problem.<br /><br />The Paradox of the Jewish Mind, by David Solway<br />http://pjmedia.com/blog/the-paradox-of-the-jewish-mind/?singlepage=true<br /><br />http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asperger_syndrome<br /><br />But Jewish people need to start to be mindful. Jewish people need to comprehend the facts of the situation. Jewish people need to realize the reality of the situation. It's simple. It's not complicated. It's simple. And Jewish people need to then communicate the reality of the situation -- the true factual history and current reality of the situation -- the facts that are listed in this article (and also the fact that ziontruth expressed that, of course, Jewish people are indigenous to the land of Israel and are the only people in the past three thousand years whose national homeland has been in the land of Israel - and also, as Mike expressed, the fact that Jewish people have been oppressed and persecuted by Muslim Arab people in the Middle East for the past over one thousand years -- but those facts are supplemental; what needs to be communicated are the facts listed in this article -- the facts that ziontruth and Mike expressed will be automatically understood by others after the facts listed in this article are communicated).Daniel Bielakhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15792786894694523598noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6579213173749170024.post-11584197741197720732012-12-19T07:14:25.113-08:002012-12-19T07:14:25.113-08:00(contd. from last post)
Second, once the above po...(contd. from last post)<br /><br />Second, once the above point is established, thinking of ourselves as the indigenous of the Land of Israel brings us ideological benefits that are simply delicious in their irony. For, having done even a cursory travel of the Progressive Left cesspools on the web, you must know that they make allowances for "indigenous peoples resisting their colonial oppressors" that they'd otherwise regard as war crimes and atrocities. As we all know from DKos and the rest of them, "Palestinians" can lob missiles at, suicide-murder crowds of, stab sleeping babies of, rape the women of (etc. etc.) the "Jewish settler-colonists" (who are <em>not</em> limited to the post-1967 territories) because the "weak, oppressed indigenous people" is allowed to take any measure to "resist" the "well-armed colonist jackboots." As the refrain goes, "Resistance isn't terrorism," and that is so even if "resistance" happens to coincide with the Nazi-like behavior the anti-Zionists often attribute (without a shred of proof, of course) to the Israeli Jews.<br /><br />Of course, I'm not calling to descend to the level of our Arab settler-colonist enemies. But there's one thing that comes in useful and is also in harmony with Jewish Law (which I believe in). You know that the Progressive Leftists support the <em>ethnic cleansing</em> of the Jews of the Land of Israel. Well, they won't call it "ethnic cleansing," they'll say it's not ethnic cleansing but justice when the "settlers" are booted off the land of the "indigenous." The fact is it's still ethnic cleansing; bringing up the matter of "indigenous vs. colonist" doesn't make it not ethnic cleansing, it justifies the particular ethnic cleansing. The anti-Zionists support ethnic cleansing and give a justification for it.<br /><br />If so then two can play that game. You say the indigenous of a land have the right to repulse all the settler-colonists from their land? Excellent! We Jews are the indigenous of the Land of Israel, and the Arabs (not "Palestinians"!) are the colonists stealing our land. You do the rest of the math. "You" meaning the Progressive Leftists, of course.<br /><br />I'm not looking to convince the Progressive Leftists with this argument. Like your post, this is mainly for ourselves. Still, I like arguing like this even in front of the anti-Zionists, because it drives them mad when I take all their talking points ("indigenous rights" against "colonial jackboots") and turn them on their head to our benefit. To hoist our enemies on their own petards is the greatest pleasure.<br /><br />And I truly believe that the Jews are the indigenous of the Land of Israel, and that peace will come when the members of the Arab nation realize the score of states they possess on a huge mass of land is quite enough and they're not entitled to the Jewish nation's meager piece of land. Truth and justice indeed.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6579213173749170024.post-33169055883131232922012-12-19T07:13:16.390-08:002012-12-19T07:13:16.390-08:00Great post, Daniel! I'm not sure a critical ma...Great post, Daniel! I'm not sure a critical mass of people could be convinced—by <em>any</em> argument, because they <em>want</em> to hate Israel—but your effort is to be commended if only for, as you say, freeing Jews out of their mental slavery.<br /><br />I have a few words to say about your intro, stating that it's not about belief in God or the Bible. Although I'm a religious Jewish believer, my take isn't as contrary as you'd expect.<br /><br />I'd say the choice of the Land of Israel rather than Uganda has its roots in religious belief, if only because the belief made the Jewish people choose this land of all lands both in ancient times and now. However, unlike quite a few religious Jewish believers, I wouldn't use the Biblical argument as the basis for the present-day Jewish claim to the Land of Israel. This is not because I believe such a line of argumentation is invalid (perish the thought) or ineffective (although it's true the anti-Zionists would scorn it, they'd scorn secular arguments just the same), but because the Biblical argument puts the residence of the Jewish people in the Land of Israel as conditional. I simply don't think the Jewish people has any more power for another sojourn outside the homeland, not even a short stay like the Babylonian Exile of 70 years. The Land of Israel is where we stay for better or worse, and should we prove unable to maintain our hold on it, it will be the demise of our enemies as well as ours (the Samson Option).<br /><br />I believe in the Torah, but I prefer to base the Zionist claim on the fact that the Jews are the indigenous of the Land of Israel. There are two methods behind this line I take:<br /><br />First of all, it's true. If you went to an Arab population center in Israel like Kalansuwa (in the pre-1967 territories), took a photo of the shops and small businesses there, posted it on the web and asked people to tell where the photo was taken, they'd reply with a full range of Arab countries from Morocco to Iraq, unless and only unless your camera happened to have caught some sign in Hebrew. The Arab colonists in the Land of Israel have little to mark them off from their co-nationals in the rest of the Arab world. Only the Jews are uniquely tied to this land. Jewish values and culture do make an iron-clad case for the Jews being the indigenous people of the Land of Israel.<br /><br />(contd. on next post)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6579213173749170024.post-77169645680151460862012-12-18T10:44:19.766-08:002012-12-18T10:44:19.766-08:00Whatever drives them, Jay, it is not an interest i...Whatever drives them, Jay, it is not an interest in universal human rights or social justice.<br /><br />That much is certain.Mike L.https://www.blogger.com/profile/06450806807610560873noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6579213173749170024.post-20653313493683865732012-12-17T21:00:27.311-08:002012-12-17T21:00:27.311-08:00I suppose a distinction should probably be made on...I suppose a distinction should probably be made on the "anti-Zionism" definition, in that I doubt certain Jewish religious sects, such as the Satmar, are charged by anti-Jewish racism, but yeah. I'd say that non-Jewish 'anti-Zionists' all qualify as antisemites. Whether they like to have this simple fact pointed out, or not. They viciously oppose the right to self-determination of the Jewish people, while at the same time make no effort to undo any other nation state in the world.<br /><br />It is clear to me what drives them.JayinPhiladelphiahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14556212008313470286noreply@blogger.com