tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6579213173749170024.post5758920435154833945..comments2024-01-02T02:18:30.960-08:00Comments on Israel Thrives: Jewish Progressives and Kos (Updated)Mike L.http://www.blogger.com/profile/06450806807610560873noreply@blogger.comBlogger11125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6579213173749170024.post-48215553491774859942011-12-16T21:45:51.527-08:002011-12-16T21:45:51.527-08:00I think that when one speaks of the Liberty, the p...I think that when one speaks of the Liberty, the prejudice is evident.<br /><br />I see all this as not just a problem for Jews and Israel, I suppose, but in a larger, international context, where the proponents of human rights for Muslims over others is winning.<br /><br />This translates into domestic policies that filter through society. The change comes from within from a society where people can speak and one where they cannot without risk of state action.<br /><br />That is how we get police states, like the OIC states. That is their intention, as they cannot impose their imperialistic designs from without.<br /><br />Calling someone an Islamophobe to chill expression pursues the same agenda, and if this one sided mind set is allowed to prevail, with impunity, then the unknowing are at increasing risk to become subjugated.<br /><br />In this battle, Jews are on the front line, but cannot win the fight alone. It requires instilling a mind set that is willing to stand up for Western and liberal values that are under attack.<br /><br />Don't know if this helps or makes it more confused.<br /><br />The Chesler interview with Warraq says it way better than me. I see the decade long battle over defamation of religion, not something people think about much, as the front line, which is why I raise it so often.Mike L.https://www.blogger.com/profile/06450806807610560873noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6579213173749170024.post-89295863365755262352011-12-16T20:47:54.802-08:002011-12-16T20:47:54.802-08:00I'm not sure that I get you entirely, school.....I'm not sure that I get you entirely, school... "supporting defamation of religion over the human right of expression is equally grave"?... but there is no doubt in my mind that they are a fraud when it comes to human rights.<br /><br />This is a huge sticking point and by "they," of course, I mean pro-Palestinian advocates who claim to be proponents of human rights, but who only care about the human rights of people living in Ramallah or Gaza, but never Darfur, never Tibet, never China or North Korea.<br /><br />But what is even worse, to my view, is the failure to recognize that Jews in the Middle East just came through 1,300 years of dhimmitude followed by 100 years of terror war and it is those very same Jews who are vilified as the oppressors.<br /><br />Arab anti-Israel propaganda over the last 60 years has done an amazing job of transplanting itself into the gullible mind of the western idealist.<br /><br />No doubt.Mike L.https://www.blogger.com/profile/06450806807610560873noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6579213173749170024.post-5153738183927373602011-12-16T19:31:47.335-08:002011-12-16T19:31:47.335-08:00I think the labeling of people as racists and Isla...I think the labeling of people as racists and Islamophobes, in effect supporting defamation of religion over the human right of expression is equally grave. It is done to hide themselves and the fraud they are perpetrating as proponents of human rights.Mike L.https://www.blogger.com/profile/06450806807610560873noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6579213173749170024.post-21764846349989978742011-12-16T16:16:54.676-08:002011-12-16T16:16:54.676-08:00The place has evolved into a parody of a perverted...The place has evolved into a parody of a perverted Gong Show with kos playing Chuck Barris.Mike L.https://www.blogger.com/profile/06450806807610560873noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6579213173749170024.post-5341566380377054692011-12-16T14:55:43.680-08:002011-12-16T14:55:43.680-08:00Personally I think everyone should just abandon th...Personally I think everyone should just abandon the swamp to the hateful antisemites so that the world can see just how disgraceful a place it has become.Mike L.https://www.blogger.com/profile/06450806807610560873noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6579213173749170024.post-28563861225735039832011-12-16T14:21:49.052-08:002011-12-16T14:21:49.052-08:00Great comment. The anti-Israel folk there, and ot...Great comment. The anti-Israel folk there, and others, seem to think they are way more important than they are.Mike L.https://www.blogger.com/profile/06450806807610560873noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6579213173749170024.post-30522765854362468902011-12-16T14:16:30.189-08:002011-12-16T14:16:30.189-08:00"Believe me, if you shut the fuck up you will..."Believe me, if you shut the fuck up you will not have a problem."<br /><br />Of course, if we completely shut up and never confronted them then we'd have problems in other ways...<br /><br />But ah forget it, we tried there. I sure did. The best thing to do is realize the fact that that particular site is ultimately inconsequential, and as fas as most of the people who run it are concerned, they will certainly burn it down on their own eventually anyway. Sooner rather than later. Particularly their childish and petulant proprietor, who has somehow even managed to be banned from a television network. If the bigots who run wild and free there don't bring that place down first, that is. Jews aren't the only community who've voiced serious concerns about the rampant hate speech and dog whistles there.<br /><br />Until then, I will continue contacting my elected representatives any and every time they show up there, and will be informing them in no uncertain terms why they should not post at that hate-friendly site.Mike L.https://www.blogger.com/profile/06450806807610560873noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6579213173749170024.post-62228937361037815122011-12-16T11:58:51.237-08:002011-12-16T11:58:51.237-08:00Wow, fizziks is saying goodbye to dKos and he is s...Wow, fizziks is saying goodbye to dKos and he is shooting from the hip. Have a look.<br /><br />http://www.dailykos.com/story/2011/12/16/1046025/-TTFN-Im-going-to-miss-many-of-you?via=search<br /><br />Good on ya, man.Mike L.https://www.blogger.com/profile/06450806807610560873noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6579213173749170024.post-5922363132941585982011-12-16T11:19:22.080-08:002011-12-16T11:19:22.080-08:00My site is a liberal one. The matter, however, is ...My site is a liberal one. The matter, however, is that labels are what matters these days, and people must maintain their cred. I believe that many who call themselves progressive are empty and what sustains them is the disparagement of anything that does not meet their approval. It is just as Orwell described.Mike L.https://www.blogger.com/profile/06450806807610560873noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6579213173749170024.post-12902607627372830512011-12-16T11:12:10.097-08:002011-12-16T11:12:10.097-08:00I've only recently become aware of that site.
...I've only recently become aware of that site.<br /><br />That site, like this one and like yours, is just one of any number of pro-Israel sites that progressives would tend to lambaste as racist and right-wing.<br /><br />Why is it, I wonder, that almost all the pro-Israel sites are either conservative or viewed that way?<br /><br />Aside from VB's "The Progressive Zionist" I know of very few pro-Israel political blogs that are explicitly liberal or progressive.<br /><br />How is that?<br /><br />Have anti-Zionists done such a good job of muddying the waters that to be pro-Israel is to be, ipso facto, a "conservative"?Mike L.https://www.blogger.com/profile/06450806807610560873noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6579213173749170024.post-81300999447396902142011-12-16T11:05:45.999-08:002011-12-16T11:05:45.999-08:00They say Daphne Anson is an Islamaphobe, but all s...They say Daphne Anson is an Islamaphobe, but all she is doing is pointing out instances of hatred directed at Jews.<br /><br />I think she is more liberal than many of those who shout about Islamophobia.Mike L.https://www.blogger.com/profile/06450806807610560873noreply@blogger.com