tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6579213173749170024.post5772659033678045105..comments2024-01-02T02:18:30.960-08:00Comments on Israel Thrives: Australian Labor Party MP Joins the Deep Freeze Israel To Death RuseMike L.http://www.blogger.com/profile/06450806807610560873noreply@blogger.comBlogger12125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6579213173749170024.post-76031161727905659082013-01-16T14:38:31.596-08:002013-01-16T14:38:31.596-08:00If my time at Daily Kos taught me one thing, it...If my time at <i>Daily Kos</i> taught me one thing, it's that progressive opposition to ethnic cleansing has a glaring exception. That exception, of course, is when it is being done to Jews.JayinPhiladelphiahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14556212008313470286noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6579213173749170024.post-19193091312059892362013-01-16T13:20:53.464-08:002013-01-16T13:20:53.464-08:00This post and your comments have been picked up pr...This post and your comments have been picked up pretty widely in Australia. I have submitted my response to Mr Leigh ALP to the Drum as a head article<br /><br />http://geofffff.blogspot.com.au/2013/01/alp-joins-deep-freeze-israel-to-death.htmlgeoffffhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10056725010151459750noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6579213173749170024.post-15009228136657850402013-01-16T13:00:59.369-08:002013-01-16T13:00:59.369-08:00Back when Seri Nusseibeh announced that the new Ar...Back when Seri Nusseibeh announced that the new Arab state would allow no Jews to reside in it, you could hear the crickets chirping on DKos—and on the Progressive Left in general.<br /><br />In that, and in their contention that Zionism is a White European Colonial Settler movement, and in their racialist view of "European Jews" vs. "Arab Jews" (a deeply offensive term that any Sephardi Jew in Israel would react to in outrage, comparable to using the N-word on an African-American), ignoring the fact that Jewishness has never been defined on racial lines, the extreme Left goes full circle to meet their extreme Right counterparts, the pond scum of Stormfront. They too are rabid anti-Zionists, only they don't bother to maintain the pretense of a disconnect between their anti-Zionism and their classical, 1930s-style Jew-hatred.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6579213173749170024.post-2168760612366854892013-01-16T11:22:25.429-08:002013-01-16T11:22:25.429-08:00I'd like to think that history will not look b...I'd like to think that history will not look back kindly on pro-apartheid progressives like this character and his fellows at places like <i>Daily Kos</i> and elsewhere on the 'Left' blogosphere.<br /><br />Can you imagine the same being said of any other ethnic group in any other situation?JayinPhiladelphiahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14556212008313470286noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6579213173749170024.post-89727177814114989652013-01-16T09:34:45.809-08:002013-01-16T09:34:45.809-08:00This isn't just a matter of legal niceties. Fr...<b><i>This isn't just a matter of legal niceties. From a practical standpoint, settlements make it vastly more difficult - if not impossible - to set up a Palestinian state.</i></b><br /><br />This is pure racism.<br /><br />The implication seems to be that the Palestinian-Arabs cannot be expected to have a state if that state also contains Jews.<br /><br />And the truly sad thing is that the Jewish left is giving cover to this anti-Jewish racism, which is used as a weapon against Israel, by essentially agreeing with it.Mike L.https://www.blogger.com/profile/06450806807610560873noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6579213173749170024.post-46493285428150787462013-01-16T08:33:08.344-08:002013-01-16T08:33:08.344-08:00Correction:
I wrote:
"...in the mid 1960...Correction:<br /><br />I wrote:<br /><br />"...<i>in the mid 1960's, Yasser Arafat was trained in Egypt by the KGB to become head of the PLO</i>..."<br /><br />Which should be:<br /><br />"...<i>in the mid 1960's, Yasser Arafat was trained in Russia by the KGB to become head of the PLO</i>..."Daniel Bielakhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15792786894694523598noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6579213173749170024.post-53332685355458687022013-01-16T07:00:06.044-08:002013-01-16T07:00:06.044-08:00What needs to be done is to tell the facts of the ...What needs to be done is to tell the facts of the approximately 90-year history and current reality of the situation that Israel is in. That's the solution. That's the only solution. That's what needs to be done.<br /><br />Facts of the approximately 90-year history and current reality of the situation that Israel is in:<br /><br /><b>It's about Standing Up for the Human Rights of the Jewish People</b><br /><a href="http://israel-thrives.blogspot.com/2012/12/its-about-standing-up-for-human-rights_17.html" rel="nofollow">http://israel-thrives.blogspot.com/2012/12/its-about-standing-up-for-human-rights_17.html</a><br /><br />"<i>It's not about 'belief in God'. It's not about 'belief in the Bible'. It's not about 'Jewish values and culture'.</i><br /><br />"<i>It's about truth and justice. It's about standing up for the human rights of the Jewish people.</i> ..."<br /><br />----<br /><br />BTW:<br /><br />The Secret War Against the Jews, by John Loftus and Mark Aarons<br /><a href="http://books.google.com/books/about/The_secret_war_against_the_Jews.html?id=trU7nY-T-4EC" rel="nofollow">http://books.google.com/books/about/The_secret_war_against_the_Jews.html?id=trU7nY-T-4EC</a><br /><br />"<i>The authors demonstrate that numerous Western countries, especially the United States and Great Britain, have conducted repeated and willful spying missions on Palestine[2] and later Israel over many decades. While on the surface these two countries and others profess to be ardent allies of Israel, they work, in fact, through their intelligence services to betray Israel's secrets to the Arabs.</i> ..."<br /><br />America's Nazi Secret: An Insider's History, by John Loftus<br /><a href="http://www.amazon.com/Americas-Nazi-Secret-Insiders-History/dp/1936296047" rel="nofollow">http://www.amazon.com/Americas-Nazi-Secret-Insiders-History/dp/1936296047</a><br /><br />John Loftus was a federal prosecutor with the U.S. Justice Department and had above Top Security clearance in the U.S. government.<br /><br />Big Oil Underwrites Anti-Israel Conference, by Cliff Kincaid<br /><a href="http://www.familysecuritymatters.org/publications/detail/big-oil-underwrites-anti-israel-conference" rel="nofollow">http://www.familysecuritymatters.org/publications/detail/big-oil-underwrites-anti-israel-conference</a><br /><br />The Arab Lobby, by Lee Smith<br /><a href="http://www.tabletmag.com/news-and-politics/44096/the-arab-lobby/" rel="nofollow">http://www.tabletmag.com/news-and-politics/44096/the-arab-lobby/</a><br /><br />Johann von Leers and Walt/Mearsheimer, by Clemens Heni<br /><a href="http://clemensheni.wordpress.com/2011/01/21/johann-von-leers-and-waltmearsheimer/" rel="nofollow">http://clemensheni.wordpress.com/2011/01/21/johann-von-leers-and-waltmearsheimer/</a><br /><br />"<i>Most people think that the book 'Israel Lobby' by Stephen Walt and John J. Mearsheimer was published in 2007 -- at the same time in the US and in Germany, by the way. Well, the first edition of that book was rather published in 1940 -- by leading National Socialist anti-Semitic publicist Prof. Dr. Johann von Leers. Von Leers published 'Kräfte hinter Roosevelt' ('Forces behind Roosevelt') in Berlin in 1940.</i> ..."<br />Daniel Bielakhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15792786894694523598noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6579213173749170024.post-53668752686582795502013-01-16T06:59:48.548-08:002013-01-16T06:59:48.548-08:00Why haven't the leaders of the government of I...Why haven't the leaders of the government of Israel told these facts? Why aren't the leaders of the government of Israel telling these facts? Why aren't any leaders of any prominent so-called "Jewish organizations" in the United States telling these facts? What is wrong with Jewish people?<br /><br />The following articles explain what is wrong with Jewish people.<br /><br />The Psychology of Populations under Chronic Siege, by Kenneth Levin<br /><a href="http://www.jcpa.org/phas/phas-046-levin.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.jcpa.org/phas/phas-046-levin.htm</a><br /><br />Explaining Jewish Political Behavior, by Barry Rubin<br /><a href="http://rubinreports.blogspot.com/2010/08/explaining-jewish-political-behavior.html" rel="nofollow">http://rubinreports.blogspot.com/2010/08/explaining-jewish-political-behavior.html</a><br /><br />The Paradox of the Jewish Mind, by David Solway<br /><a href="http://pjmedia.com/blog/the-paradox-of-the-jewish-mind/?singlepage=true" rel="nofollow">http://pjmedia.com/blog/the-paradox-of-the-jewish-mind/?singlepage=true</a><br />Daniel Bielakhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15792786894694523598noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6579213173749170024.post-82755097105801187012013-01-16T06:52:28.570-08:002013-01-16T06:52:28.570-08:00And, as part of Israel not behaving normally, the ...And, as part of Israel not behaving normally, the leaders of the government of Israel are not telling the basic simple essential facts of the situation: the fact that what is now Jordan was part of the British Mandate of Palestine (and constituted approximately two thirds of the British Mandate of Palestine); the fact that the founder of the 'Palestinian movement', Haj amin al-Husseini, resided in Germany from 1941 to 1945, and was an adjoined official of the Nazi regime of Germany, and was a co-architect of the Nazi 'Final Solution' -- the murder of approximately six million Jewish people in Europe by the Nazi regime of Germany; the fact that Haj amin al-Husseini, as the head of the Arab Higher Committee, was the co-ordinator of the Muslim Arab attack on Israel by the armies of several Arab states in 1948; the fact that, from 1949 to 1967, Jordan occupied what is now called "The West Bank" (Judea (Yehouda) and Sameria (Shomron)); the fact that, from 1949 to 1967, Egypt occupied what is now called "The Gaza Strip"; The fact that Fatah was founded in 1958 and was founded by veterans of Haj Amin al-Husseini's organization the Arab Higher Committee; The fact that Haj Amin al-Husseini was the mentor of Yasser Arafat; the fact that, soon after World War II, Yasser Arafat and other young Arab Nationalists (Arab Nazis) were trained in Egypt by German former Nazi officials at the behest of Haj Amin al-Husseini; The fact that the PLO was founded in 1964 and was founded by the Soviet KGB and the then-President of then-Soviet-Supported Egypt, Gamel Abdel Nasser; the fact that the 1964 PLO Charter (and the revised, and current, 1968 PLO Charter) calls for the destruction of what the PLO Charter calls "the Zionist" "occupation" of "Palestine" (destruction which the PLO Charter called for in 1964 -- while Jordan was occupying what is now called "The West Bank" (Judea (Yehouda) and Sameria (Shomron)) and while Egypt was occupying what is now called "The Gaza Strip"); the fact that Yasser Arafat was the head Fatah; the fact that, in the mid 1960's, Yasser Arafat was trained in Egypt by the KGB to become head of the PLO, and that, between 1969 and 1970, Yasser Arafat took the position of head of the PLO; the fact that there were more Jewish refugees from Muslim states in the Middle East than there were Arab refugees from Israel; the fact that the groups of Arab people who are now called "The Palestinians" don't live in Israel and are not citizens of Israel; the fact that approximately twenty percent of the citizenry of Israel are Muslim Arab and Christian Arab and Druze Arab; the fact that the creation of so-called "Palestinian" Arab state in what is now called "The West Bank" (Judea (Yehouda) and Sameria (Shomron)) and in what is now called "The Gaza Strip" would, in fact, be the creation of a second "Palestinian" Arab state -- a second "Palestinian" Arab state in addition to the "Palestinian" Arab state Jordan); etc. (and the facts of the covert U.S. governmental, and British governmental, racist war against Israel -- the fact that the Nazi trainers of Fatah were under the auspices of the CIA; the fact that the CIA recruited several thousand German Nazi officials as the core founding membership of the CIA; the fact that the State Department hired German former Nazi officials; the fact that it was the U.S. government (the Reagan administration, in the early 1980's) who started to push for the creation of a Fatah-PLO Nazi so-called "Palestinian" Arab state in the heartland of the besieged very small sole nation of the Jewish people, Israel; etc.)Daniel Bielakhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15792786894694523598noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6579213173749170024.post-38399754756063771862013-01-16T06:52:05.807-08:002013-01-16T06:52:05.807-08:00From a comment on an article on another web site:
...From <a href="http://pjmedia.com/barryrubin/2013/01/14/understanding-israels-january-22-election/#comment-290310" rel="nofollow">a comment</a> on an article on another web site:<br /><br />"<i>I think at least 50% of outsiders including media get Israel wrong because Israel does not behave ‘normally.’</i> ..."<br /><br />That's exactly right.Daniel Bielakhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15792786894694523598noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6579213173749170024.post-56558220469957778122013-01-16T06:28:32.097-08:002013-01-16T06:28:32.097-08:00"The question for Australia is: what can we d..."The question for Australia is: what can we do to bring about peace in the Middle East?"<br /><br />Nothing whatsoever. And you're meddling in an affair that is no concern of yours.<br /><br />Even if I accepted all that load of bollocks about the "illegality" of Jews populating parts of the Land of Israel (Jews populating the Land of Israel?! Imagine that! Just what is the world coming to? If this goes on, we'll soon have Greeks saying they have a right to populate Hellas!), still I wouldn't believe in any kind of land-for-peace deals. Why? Because we have it on the authority of all our anti-Zionist enemies, both Marxist and Islamic, that the follow-up to the ethnic cleansing of the post-1967 territories of their Jewish population would be the push to create a "state of all its citizens," a multiculturalist nightmare à la Lebanon or Yugoslavia, out of the remaining pre-1967 Jewish State.<br /><br />In fact, it's not even a future scenario: Right now, anti-Zionist agitators are bleating about the rights of Bedouins <em>in pre-1967 Israel</em>, and talking about "Jewish settlements" <em>in Jaffa and Acre</em>! The drive to rob the Jewish nation of its self-determination is being mainstreamed as we speak, and the ethnic cleansing of the post-1967 territories is actually only the first stage in a two-stage plan. "There will be no discussion of the Right of Return," say Israel's leaders; but they once used to say any talks with the PLO were out of the question. The world will push for this "Right of Return," the swamping of Israel with Arab colonists; and if our leaders refuse, that refusal will be the "reason" why we'd be "at fault" for yet another Intifada. Were the Jewish State the size of the Tel-Aviv region alone, still the Jew-haters would find a way to depict it as the aggressor.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6579213173749170024.post-23780023803699611512013-01-16T00:49:33.338-08:002013-01-16T00:49:33.338-08:00Its a very good reply - it should be added for goo...Its a very good reply - it should be added for good measure thought that the Left gets in bed with Islamists and somehow thinks the reason the Middle East is in turmoil is because Israel has not disappeared fast enough for its enemies liking.<br /><br />Essays like Andrew Leigh's remind me of the fable about whom the crocodile eats. Sacrificing Israel is only the first meal on the crocodile's menu. It may buy Australia and the West some time. But they they are the next to feed the crocodile's never satiated appetite.<br /><br />Its telling that otherwise intelligent people cannot stand completely behind Israel in our century. Appeasement never works. The history of the last century has not sunk in with them. Peace with the Arabs is impossible because they claim all of Israel as theirs. No compromise therefore is possible.<br /><br />One can delude oneself about reality. But if Israel is in Ehud Barak's famous formulation, "the villa in the jungle," the rest of the Middle East is the jungle. And that is not going to change there for a long time to come.NormanFhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03365459073293643108noreply@blogger.com