Sunday, December 9, 2012

I really like the Jews, so it's quite a shame what fascists they've become.

Mike L.

That was not the title of this recent Daily Kos diary, but it might as well have been.  It's one of those pieces written by non-Jewish liberals that expresses the profound regret that, although they have nothing but affection and respect for the Jewish people, Israel has gone fascist.  It's one of those sentiments that is often expressed as the idea that it's a terrible shame that Jewish Israelis not only learned nothing from the Holocaust, but have become themselves something akin to Nazis.

The author writes:
So I packed up my family and we went to live in Israel in 1963. We spent two years there only to cut a three year Fellowship short to come home to work against the war in Vietnam.

My kids were 2 and 5 when we arrived in Israel and they were in the preschool that was everywhere in Israel at that time. The government was socialist and I fell in love with socialism. My kids were involved in every holiday and we were too. It was delightful.
Apparently, however, the Jewish socialist utopia which was Israel almost fifty years ago was simply not to last.  So, what does the author think of Israel as it is, lo these many years later?
Today I am revulsed by Israel and its adoption of fascism. Yet the Jewish culture I remember is wonderful! Why have they destroyed it?
The author does not tell us just how it is that he thinks that Israel has adopted fascism.  Whatever the reason, however, this kind of thinking (which is quite prominent on the progressive-left) is what Professor Richard Landes refers to as "moral schadenfreude," which he defines as follows:
it is the core of the anti-Judaism I discussed above. It designates the thrill (frisson) that accompanies the ability to accuse Israel, to knock it off its moral pedestal, to announce (as one of my friends did repeatedly in the years after al Durah) “this time Israel’s lost the moral high ground.” Somehow there is a great pleasure that accompanies inflicting moral pain on the Jews. Somehow one gets great pleasure from being able to say, “You Jews, two thousand years you suffered persecution and no sooner do you get power, but you turn around and do it to the poor Palestinians. You’re just as bad as everyone else (off the pedestal), you’re as bad or worse than the Nazis (sadistic version).”
Landes believes that the source of this pleasure in anti-Jewish moral schadenfreude is a contemporary western secular form of moral supersessionism.  Superssionism was the belief that because the Jews have (in the case of Christians) rejected the divinity of Christ or (in the case of Muslims) distorted the teachings of Allah while rejecting his prophet, they have been replaced as the the "chosen people" by the Christians or by the Muslims, depending on who is doing the anti-Jewish accusing.

Landes writes:
One of the implications of this analysis is that the Western secular Left is also supersessionist, as in the case of Jostein Gaarder. In order to pose as the moral cutting edge of global consciousness, the Left seems to feel that putting Israel down makes them look good. Few cases make a stronger case that, imagining one can be a better person without believing in God, can lead one to disastrous moral immodesty. After all, all those Christians and Muslims who beat up on the Jews invoked their belief in God to justify their contempt and sense of moral superiority. So, having tossed aside God, we secular, atheist, progressives… beat up on Jews, thinking we’re morally superior.

Lethal Narratives are like rich truffles, so tasty that there seems an almost bottomless appetite for them, and the European intelligentsia are like a fat man with a 300+ cholesterol count who just can’t stop popping those yummy truffles of moral Schadenfreude. Jon Donnison tweets a picture of a dead Syrian baby as a dead Gaza baby. WTF? What business does a BBC correspondent have in participating in dead baby porn? Does he realize he’s playing the role of a picador, trying to spur the Arab bull into a rage so he’ll attack Israel?
In the various ways that progressives express hostility toward Israel perhaps my very least favorite is when they do so out of alleged love for that country.  While parading their own moral superiority to the Jewish people they simultaneously help to lay the ideological foundation for the next round of violence against us.  Whatever his intention, the Daily Kos writer who tells the world that Israel has become a fascist state is, by logical necessity, also saying that it must therefore be destroyed.

There is only one thing to be done with fascist countries and it is precisely what the Allies did to Nazi Germany during World War II.  When people call Israel fascist, or claim that it has become something akin to Nazi Germany, what they are really saying is that it must be crushed... for its own good, of course.


  1. "Does he realize he’s playing the role of a picador, trying to spur the Arab bull into a rage so he’ll attack Israel?"

    Why yes, he does realize that.

    This has been another in the series Simple Answers to Easy Questions.

  2. Actually, the title should be "I really likeD the Jews." It's clear he doesn't anymore. Call it a Cronkite moment. Oh dear, whatever shall be done now? We've lost don mickulecky!

    Whoever the fuck he is.

    Anyway, yeah. Definitely nailed the type there. And it's nothing new with this one (is it ever anything new with these dolts?), I recall his name from my time there. He's big on 'concentration camp' analogies, and he gets angry when he's told he can't be that literal there. At least, not yet. So he has to dope out how close he can come to that line, and still have it considered okay, apparently. Btw, notice the number of Facebook 'likes' on that one? An interesting stat, I have to keep an eye on those from now on.

    I wonder who's worse. This guy, or the one who posted a lovely "pootie holocaust" diary on Yom Kippur a couple years ago, then dug a hole ten times deeper than he was already in, and went insane on me* when I called him out on it. His 'defense' that he had a Jewish landlord once was priceless. He's still going there, from time to time, talking about how much he used to love Jews, too, and what a shame it is that Israel hasn't agreed to collectively get on its knees in front of Hamas and allow themselves to be beheaded, or something like that.


    *He threatened to 'out' me, and he very well could have done it as we briefly worked together on a fundraising venture there. He turned out to be a totally unreliable scumbag, too, who in the end had to be relieved of his duties and, out of spite, refused to return a bunch of files he had. A wonderful human being, eh?

  3. Get a load of the poll, too.

    My 'favorite' thing about it might be the "we" part...

    1. Morons.

      Dangerous, self-righteous morons.

    2. "How do we smugly self-righteous, totally awesome antiracist progressives, finally set those Jews straight and teach them a thing or two about peace!"

      You know, the more I think about it, the more I think that poll is actually the worst thing.

  4. They never cease to proclaim how much they love dead Jews.

    In Australia, the Government has just announced that from 2013 the Holocaust will be a compulsory part of the national curriculum. All high school students in all schools, including independent and private schools, must study the subject including its "profound implications for world history and its importance for Australia"

    No doubt that is a good thing and I know the organised Jewish community have been lobbying for this for years.

    Yet I feel vaguely uneasy. Has any one noticed a link between Holocaust memorial-ism and anti-Zionism especially from the liberal left?

    It's as if they wallow in the unspeakable horrors of the Holocaust, outdoing each other in how terrible it all was, as some kind of a counterweight to their virulent hostility to Israel.

    From there it is just a small step to declaring the Israelis the new Nazis. It is as if they have to do this. It is crucial to their world view.

    1. That's an interesting, and troubling, observation, geoffff. Preemptive defensive maneuvering, I must admit it sounds kinda familiar from what I've sometimes seen from them, too.

      As quite amply demonstrated in the example above, for starters.

    2. Geoffff,

      Has any one noticed a link between Holocaust memorial-ism and anti-Zionism especially from the liberal left?

      I am not entirely certain that I get the question.

      How do you mean?

    3. I'm not entirely certain that I do either. Especially given I made up a new word in asking it.

      I'll make another attempt at framing it.

      All I know is that the harshest critics of Israel, and the outright Israel haters on the liberal/left, are always ALWAYS bringing up the Holocaust.

    4. What I despise is when they say Jews should know better because of the Holocaust. Never hear them say blacks should know better because of slavery do we?

  5. Landes nails this guy and all like him. That diarist mentions his "graduate studies," like he was someone smart at one time. Too bad he was never taught what real fascism looked like; the idiot.

    1. The guy is clearly using the word "fascism" to mean "that which I do not like."

      I suspect, to drill just a bit deeper, that he really means "militarism," despite the fact that it was the Arabs from Gaza who shot over a thousand rockets into southern Israel over the last year.

      Western progressives generally consider Jewish self-defense to be a form of aggression.

      I cannot begin to imagine anything more unjust.

    2. Actually, it goes beyond that.

      Here he is expanding upon his thesis -

      I used "fascism" for the way israel is wiping (0+ / 0-)
      out the Palestinians. It has relevance in that very immediate context.

      An idea is not responsible for who happens to be carrying it at the moment. It stands or falls on its own merits.

      by don mikulecky on Sat Dec 08, 2012 at 04:48:51 PM PST

      Well, there you have it. "Wiping out" and "fascism" clearly have super-sophisticated parallel definitions that people like you and I just can't ever hope to understand.

    3. Yup.

      But what I want to know is why the dkos "progressive Zionists" are not correcting this person?

    4. I would venture to guess it's because those who still remain are under the mistaken assumption that the place still matters. It does in a way, but not in the way that it used to.

      Once again, I'll note that the place used to host everything up to presidential candidates (or at least their social media people) as diarists. It did indeed matter in terms of electoral politics at one time.

      No more. They've traded Howard Dean for heathlander.

      The place is no longer mainstream, but it does still matter in the sense that one can get a sense for the pulse of the Online Left there. And it seems to be getting uglier and uglier. The downward spiral, and all that. For every congressperson they lose, they need one more mind-numbingly idiotic rant from drooling simpletons like Lefty Coaster or Celtic Merlin. Just to keep traffic up.

      Also, Kos' little sports blog scheme.

      Anything to keep the little fella relevant, so he can perhaps once again reach the heights of being banned from another minor cable news channel one day.

      Ah, anyway. I stray from my point, though.

      The others can ultimately do what I did, and get kicked out. Or leave altogether, as many have also already done. Those who've stayed may perhaps assume that if they ignore him, he'll just go away.

      But he won't go away, nor will the damage people like him can still do on an unfortunately still-large public platform.

      My call would be to go nuclear on the motherfucker, and when I'd get banned (again) it would only further prove the point that the place is an antisemitic-friendly site, which we all already know.

      Disinfect the place with sunlight. I wish they would, too. I mean, again, look at the comment I just linked to. It's perfectly acceptable there to suggest that the presence of Jews in a given place makes peace impossible. And these people dare call themselves anti-racists?!

  6. Here's a good one. This same poster, who no doubt would (quite rightly) tremble with righteous fury while troll rating a comment treating, say, people of Mexican heritage in Arizona in a similar manner, has no problem at all calling Jews in Judea 'illegal.' And six Daily Rense racists rec'ed the comment, of course.

    My question is what exactly is the 'progress' these 'progressives' are working towards? Implementation of yet more real-life apartheid in the Middle East, which 'Aunt Martha' and her six bigoted companions, clearly support here, perhaps?

    1. Oops. 'Aunt Martha' forgot to say Zionists. And of course, Uncle Assaf loves it...

    2. Jay,

      what is this Daily Rense thing?

      I only vaguely get the reference.

      Will you expend a few pixels explaining?

    3. This comment here, which exposed that site's 'moderation' as a joke (and which only finally started getting HR's after I highlighted it here), earned that site this name, considering that someone else there was ultimately banned for posting a link to Daphne Anson, and a dozen people were 'sanctioned' in other ways for uprating that comment, while nothing at all happened to the person who linked to (or the many people who uprated) an actual racist hate site that hosts Nazis, anti-vaxxers, AIDS denialists, people who believe the US government shoots earthquakes and hurricanes at enemies domestically and abroad, etc etc, as 'evidence' for their blatantly antisemitic 'point' about how Joooooz control the media.

      (Sorry for the epic run-on sentence, I know you only asked for a few pixels! Heh...)

      Meanwhile, I was apparently kicked out of there for being mean to bigots...

    4. Ha ha ha! Daily Kos racist sofia (who also posts under at least one sockpuppet account there that I know of for sure) clearly reads Israel Thrives.

      They pulled their rec from Aunt Martha's comment after I noted it above. Unfortunately for them, the system still lists the comment as being one that was rec'ed by them.

      I hear that Sweet G song in my head.

      "Games people play..."

      And all that. Heh!

    5. It's amazing, btw, how hard it is for certain 'progressives,' who are oh so very very mysteriously concerned about Israel above any other place in the world, to understand how bigoted it is to suggest that the presence of Jews in any given place is an impediment to peace.

      Isn't it just astounding?

      And yet, these people rail against 'apartheid.'

      They keep using that word. I do not think it means what they think it means...

  7. I wonder if I changed my name to Aunt Doodad if they'd love me over there? Any thoughts? Aunt Mike? Aunt Jay?

    1. You'll always be Aunt Doodad to me!


    2. Ha! I'm going to change my name imminently.

      Of course, it would also help to be hopelessly naive. And to hate Israel. A lot. Then the kos love will overwhelm you! You might even get invited to join one of their groups... ;)

    3. Somehow Jay, I don't see any of that crew as naive. Conniving comes to mind as do a slew of other nasty words but naive , no way.

  8. by the way, the Elder of Ziyon has been kind enough to add us to his list of "interesting blogs" on his left sidebar.

    Check it out.

    1. That's great! I have always wanted to be "interesting."

    2. You mean, instead of a "person of interest"?

    3. Actually, I've been that a few times in my life but I always had good lawyers! ;)