tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6579213173749170024.post2503610510937359622..comments2024-01-02T02:18:30.960-08:00Comments on Israel Thrives: Francois Hollande in RamallahMike L.http://www.blogger.com/profile/06450806807610560873noreply@blogger.comBlogger6125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6579213173749170024.post-58406183942148764662013-11-21T09:48:30.695-08:002013-11-21T09:48:30.695-08:00That's my alma mater.That's my alma mater.Mike L.https://www.blogger.com/profile/06450806807610560873noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6579213173749170024.post-4586270522525044342013-11-21T09:42:29.455-08:002013-11-21T09:42:29.455-08:00My response was too long so I posted it as an arti...My response was too long so I posted it as an article. Empress Trudyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06073538968722986065noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6579213173749170024.post-64051926024996064172013-11-20T20:31:07.571-08:002013-11-20T20:31:07.571-08:00Trudy, I have to say, I very much respect your int...Trudy, I have to say, I very much respect your intelligence, but you are certainly among the most hard-line people to have participated here, with the possible exception of ZionTruth.<br /><br />Here is my question:<br /><br />At certain points your views must have changed on the conflict as you have watched it unfold over the years. Those of us with political flexibility tend to have moments in which we are nudged in a different direction. For me, one of those moments was the Mavi Marmara incident. Another was when I went to an anti-Iraq War rally in San Francisco's Civic Center and found myself staring up at a banner with a Shield of David entwined with a Nazi Swastika.<br /><br />That was my last "peace" rally.<br /><br />Will you share some such moments for yourself?Mike L.https://www.blogger.com/profile/06450806807610560873noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6579213173749170024.post-13988173176587284822013-11-20T12:44:04.118-08:002013-11-20T12:44:04.118-08:00Going further, another culture, that of Palestinia...Going further, another culture, that of Palestinian activists/supporters, could do with some changes to as outlined in Elder of Ziyon's reportage on "SFSU "MY HEROES KILL COLONIZERS" followup: President wimps out, haters double down ..."<br /><br />http://elderofziyon.blogspot.ca/2013/11/sfsu-my-heroes-kill-colonizers-followup.html#.Uo0cvycmWDE<br /><br />Their mental gymnastics to support violence and terrorists like Leila Khaled is beyond belief; yet they and their kind BELIEVE they are in the right. Doodadhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03349941094682080146noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6579213173749170024.post-9466673498918351312013-11-20T12:32:18.384-08:002013-11-20T12:32:18.384-08:00Fact is, a huge part of Arab culture, especially P...Fact is, a huge part of Arab culture, especially Palestinian culture would have to change before any real peace could be reached. The odds? Miniscule.Doodadhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03349941094682080146noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6579213173749170024.post-48012964508369420852013-11-20T10:59:18.187-08:002013-11-20T10:59:18.187-08:00Gordon further noted that this too was of course p...Gordon further noted that this too was of course pointless and would lead nowhere. Arabs have never been and will never express anything but utterly 100% maximalist demands 100% of the time. They only have two speeds, extermination of the vanquished and glorious defeat. We're never going to hand them the former so we may as well bash their heads in on the latter. We talk a lot about Arab racist hate and hardwired antisemitic genocidal fantasies and that's all well and good and probably true much of the time. But lots of peoples and countries hate the Jews. Mostly they grumble whine and scratch out complaints on liberal blogs. They know we're not going to disappear. They like being unpleasant nasty little racist trolls. But what Israel is confronted with, and by extension all of the rest of us, is a completely Manichean world view - There is either absolute victory or disastrous failure and in either case they get to sing songs and tells stories of glory and gore. <br /><br />Conceding anything to them is weakness. And were they even to pretend to occasionally agree to a single tiny demand it's all silly because their goals are always and forever 100% the end of Israel and the end of all Jews. Death or Glory. We don't have to understand it most in the west don't. We have to appreciate it. So Gordon's is about all of 'us' outside of it. Israel could extend any sort of rational concession to them and often in the past has. It's meant nothing. In fact if you want to end all talks with Arabs simply agree to one of their demands. They walk away. They've won that round until they are begged to come back to make more demands. If they agree on paper to anything subsequent to that, it's all of a set piece of lies and tactics once again heroically defended by the teachings of Mohammed. Empress Trudyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06073538968722986065noreply@blogger.com