tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6579213173749170024.post2929079175899794740..comments2024-01-02T02:18:30.960-08:00Comments on Israel Thrives: Obama is Not a FriendMike L.http://www.blogger.com/profile/06450806807610560873noreply@blogger.comBlogger15125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6579213173749170024.post-22138203291426074592012-10-09T21:24:48.682-07:002012-10-09T21:24:48.682-07:00Here's ANOTHER Dem who is no friend to Israel....Here's ANOTHER Dem who is no friend to Israel....Lois Capps.<br /><br />"Capps has been consistently hostile to the U.S.-Israel alliance. She has accused Israel of war crimes, befriended the radical Islamic group CAIR, refused to sign bipartisan letters of support for Israel, and supported the libelous Goldstone Report.<br /><br />ECI's executive director Noah Pollak said: "If there is a member of Congress whose foreign policy record is more extreme than Lois Capps', I can't think of one. Throughout her career, she has demonstrated an inability to distinguish between America's friends and enemies and has repeatedly attacked America's closest ally in the Middle East -- Israel."<br /><br />http://israelmatzav.blogspot.ca/Doodadhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03349941094682080146noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6579213173749170024.post-28040329337162915002012-10-09T17:36:05.763-07:002012-10-09T17:36:05.763-07:00Yup.
And we both saw the reports of the violent s...Yup.<br /><br />And we both saw the reports of the violent suppression of the Copt vote.Mike L.https://www.blogger.com/profile/06450806807610560873noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6579213173749170024.post-82390719041531122952012-10-09T16:57:25.418-07:002012-10-09T16:57:25.418-07:00I don't believe Morsi was democratically elect...I don't believe Morsi was democratically elected anymore than I think that Hamas was democratically elected.<br /><br />To have a democratic election you first have to have a democracy. One election a democracy does not make. <br /><br /> geoffffhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10056725010151459750noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6579213173749170024.post-79770568379231623832012-10-09T14:48:56.530-07:002012-10-09T14:48:56.530-07:00Thank you, but I've never been fashionable in ...Thank you, but I've never been fashionable in my life. Stuarthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09405170992142157365noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6579213173749170024.post-57843038720221771062012-10-09T13:33:33.032-07:002012-10-09T13:33:33.032-07:00To some Jews, shouting democracy is simply a mirag...To some Jews, shouting democracy is simply a mirage to hide their self loath behind.BcemXaHahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16626671054839948758noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6579213173749170024.post-48171021363485805542012-10-09T13:31:25.716-07:002012-10-09T13:31:25.716-07:00This is just unbelievable.
The Muslim people are ...This is just unbelievable.<br /><br />The Muslim people are 1.5 billion strong. They outnumber Jews by a factor of 100 to 1.<br /><br />Yet progressive-left Jews will support a president that supports a movement among Muslims in which the subjugation of Jewish people is a central part of its traditional ideology.<br /><br />And then they get mad when some of us start discussing "Stockholm Syndrome."<br /><br />It just amazing.Mike L.https://www.blogger.com/profile/06450806807610560873noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6579213173749170024.post-77611646257995816982012-10-09T13:29:07.241-07:002012-10-09T13:29:07.241-07:00To some, democracy means holding an election. This...To some, democracy means holding an election. This misses the point of what a democracy is and what are the requirements necessary for a democratic society. It is not at all improbable that totalitarian movements, organised in the form of political parties, might do away with democracy, after prospering under the democratic regime. Where should one draw the line?<br /><br /><br /><br />oldschooltwentysixhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15672887176887940797noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6579213173749170024.post-38321779515844050472012-10-09T13:21:08.968-07:002012-10-09T13:21:08.968-07:00Stuart, I have to say, you very clearly represent ...Stuart, I have to say, you very clearly represent for me just exactly why Jewish people who care about the well-being of their fellow Jews in the state of Israel very much need to get out of the progressive-left.<br /><br />What we are seeing in the Arab world is not about democracy. It is about the rise of political Islam which is a form of dictatorship. It is theocracy. It is the <i>Sharia</i> in which Jews are condemned to live out their lives as "protected" dhimmis.<br /><br />You are supporting a president who supports a political movement that has the subjugation of your own people, the Jewish people, as one its cornerstones.<br /><br />This is suicidal and does, in fact, very much bring to mind the ease with which the Nazis convinced the Jews to blithely march into the camps.<br /><br />We do not know what the ultimate results of the rise of radical Islam during Obama's tenure will be, but we do know that it is a vast and growing movement, promoted by this president, and that it holds contempt toward Jewish people at its core.<br /><br />The obvious truth, of course, is that it is senseless for Jewish people to support a movement that holds Jewish people in violent contempt under the pretense of "democracy" when the movement, itself, is anything but democratic.<br /><br />In my opinion, Jews who support the so-called "Arab Spring" are toying with the lives of their fellow Jews in Israel.<br /><br />As I say, this goes well beyond foolishness into a sort-of realm in which "democracy" means suicide and supporting the "liberal" position means supporting the oppression of women, the genocide of the Jews, and the outright murder of Gay people.<br /><br />You're making a pact with the "devil" and you are making a potentially deadly mistake.Mike L.https://www.blogger.com/profile/06450806807610560873noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6579213173749170024.post-25725616121639857732012-10-09T12:28:58.326-07:002012-10-09T12:28:58.326-07:00I didn't say it was a good democracy. Only tha...I didn't say it was a good democracy. Only that democracy is preferable to a dictatorship. You don't agree?Stuarthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09405170992142157365noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6579213173749170024.post-75122945034490277472012-10-09T12:05:06.426-07:002012-10-09T12:05:06.426-07:00Um, no to your last question. But I have the benef...Um, no to your last question. But I have the benefit of hindsight. I don't have that with democracy in the middle east. <br /><br />I'm pretty sure you didn't answer my question. Was Morsi democratically elected? And yes, that does matter to me. Stuarthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09405170992142157365noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6579213173749170024.post-44310975851759716592012-10-09T11:35:20.512-07:002012-10-09T11:35:20.512-07:00Michael, do you think that there were no elections...Michael, do you think that there were no elections in Egypt? Were they fixed? Did the Egyptian not elect their new government? I've seen no evidence that is true. Stuarthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09405170992142157365noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6579213173749170024.post-7166452367537509892012-10-09T11:31:28.262-07:002012-10-09T11:31:28.262-07:00Humans rights law determines that the purpose of I...Humans rights law determines that the purpose of Islamism is incompatible with the standards of democracy.<br /><br />Do political parties that put forward a policy that fails to respect democracy or is aimed at the destruction of democracy and the flouting of human rights and freedoms recognized in a democracy lay claim to protection against penalties imposed on those grounds?<br /><br />Should we be required to wait, before intervening, until a political party has seized power and begun to take concrete steps to implement a policy incompatible with the standards of democracy, even though the danger of that policy for democracy is sufficiently established and imminent?oldschooltwentysixhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15672887176887940797noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6579213173749170024.post-88068741259884207842012-10-09T10:24:08.117-07:002012-10-09T10:24:08.117-07:00No, not denial. What you see as promotion of polit...No, not denial. What you see as promotion of political Islam, I see as promotion of democracy. I think democracy is preferable to dictatorships, and as public policy, I find it hard to find fault with promotion of democracy. We're not always going to get what we want, and surely dictators are simpler to work with than democracies. Democracy is messy. <br /><br />It seems you use lies to justify your hatred of Obama. He never demanded negotiations be based on 1948 armistice lines. Stuarthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09405170992142157365noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6579213173749170024.post-90587910080975213642012-10-09T09:53:20.568-07:002012-10-09T09:53:20.568-07:00Well, Stuart, you seem to live in that alternative...Well, Stuart, you seem to live in that alternative universe in which an American president can promote political Islam in the Arab world and still be considered a friend to the Jewish people.<br /><br />How you justify that is anyone's guess, but my guess is simply via denial.Mike L.https://www.blogger.com/profile/06450806807610560873noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6579213173749170024.post-34937151269518610242012-10-09T08:54:17.246-07:002012-10-09T08:54:17.246-07:00I agree with this part:
"As we’ve written be...I agree with this part:<br /><br />"As we’ve written before, Obama has proven during his first term to be a true friend of Israel."Stuarthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09405170992142157365noreply@blogger.com