tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6579213173749170024.post3909711993260331947..comments2024-01-02T02:18:30.960-08:00Comments on Israel Thrives: Obstacles to PeaceMike L.http://www.blogger.com/profile/06450806807610560873noreply@blogger.comBlogger20125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6579213173749170024.post-72065444865988749682013-11-05T14:09:43.570-08:002013-11-05T14:09:43.570-08:00For those who think peace is just round the corner...For those who think peace is just round the corner, here's a little bummer for ya.<br /><br />"Abbas' speech at PA event:<br />All of Israel is occupied Palestine<br /><br />"Gaza... the West Bank...<br />the 1948 lands (i.e., Israel) are occupied"<br /><br />Song glorifying violence at event:<br />"There is no force in the world<br />that can remove the weapon from my hand"<br /><br />http://palwatch.org/main.aspx?fi=157&doc_id=10030<br /><br />Read it all then go for a ride on your Unicorn to calm down.Doodadhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03349941094682080146noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6579213173749170024.post-43588992197329533632013-11-05T10:08:15.719-08:002013-11-05T10:08:15.719-08:00Yeah, he does.
Precisely.Yeah, he does.<br /><br />Precisely.Mike L.https://www.blogger.com/profile/06450806807610560873noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6579213173749170024.post-83140308869750524322013-11-05T08:54:09.710-08:002013-11-05T08:54:09.710-08:00"Simply put, so long as the Palestinians hono..."Simply put, so long as the Palestinians honor murderers, there is no reason to believe they are willing to end the conflict."........Jonathan Tobin<br /><br />http://www.commentarymagazine.com/2013/10/30/a-cultural-gulf-between-israel-and-palestine-prisoners-palestine/<br /><br />By George, I think he's got it!!!Doodadhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03349941094682080146noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6579213173749170024.post-34126389685152684942013-11-04T21:11:15.084-08:002013-11-04T21:11:15.084-08:00Norman,
what you say is true, but they frame that...Norman,<br /><br />what you say is true, but they frame that hatred within the language of human rights and social justice and thereby sucker well-meaning westerners into the "Palestinian narrative" of Arab innocence in the face of Jewish aggression in the middle of the last century.<br /><br />Our alliances are eroding because they are tending, more and more, to believe the lies told about the Jews who they call "Zionists."<br /><br />One cannot hate a Jew aloud in polite company in the west, but one can certainly despise a "Zionist," whatever that is, exactly.Mike L.https://www.blogger.com/profile/06450806807610560873noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6579213173749170024.post-51689583098010151172013-11-04T17:02:23.497-08:002013-11-04T17:02:23.497-08:00Hmmmmmmmmm. According to this guy most released Pa...Hmmmmmmmmm. According to this guy most released Pal prisoners " join the efforts for peace after their release. "<br /><br />http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4449261,00.html<br /><br />Colour me all surprised and stuff.Doodadhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03349941094682080146noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6579213173749170024.post-22234831332174934572013-11-04T11:09:37.590-08:002013-11-04T11:09:37.590-08:00Like Obamacare, unilaterally deciding for others w...Like Obamacare, unilaterally deciding for others what is in their own best interests, then acting to force compliance.<br /><br />oldschooltwentysixhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15672887176887940797noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6579213173749170024.post-39757880138714759892013-11-04T11:00:37.567-08:002013-11-04T11:00:37.567-08:00I would also suggest that the Arabs don't even...I would also suggest that the Arabs don't even and never will agree what 'peace' even is. Their so called working definition is pretty close to genocide. Empress Trudyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06073538968722986065noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6579213173749170024.post-67575832176634122172013-11-04T10:59:39.468-08:002013-11-04T10:59:39.468-08:00Well that's pretty unlikely. It is classic Oba...Well that's pretty unlikely. It is classic Obama though. Obama only functions in a sphere were he can unilaterally dictate all terms. This is why he's so bad at working with Congress and a complete failure in foreign policy. They don't HAVE to obey him. He's not the boss of them.Empress Trudyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06073538968722986065noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6579213173749170024.post-17416577903729565592013-11-04T08:46:17.263-08:002013-11-04T08:46:17.263-08:00From IDF radio. Egads if true.
" The rad...From IDF radio. Egads if true.<br /><br />" The radio station says the US has informed Israel and the Palestinian Authority that if negotiations between them do not advance, Washington will propose its own solution, that will include a US position on every point that is in contention. In effect, according to the report, this will be an attempt to force the sides to agree on a solution formulated by the US. <br /><br /> The US moves comes after three months of talks between the sides which have reportedly made very little headway. <br /><br /> The US plan reportedly is similar to the Clinton outline, which is based on an Israeli retreat to 1949 armistice lines, and some swaps of territory. <br /><br /> The Obama Administration is reportedly determined to achieve “a diplomatic breakthrough” by mid-2014, and believes that Israel under Binyamin Netanyahu and the PA under Mahmoud Abbas are capable of reaching agreement. <br /><br /> Until now, the talks were based on the idea that the two sides negotiate directly, with the US only acting as a mediator. <br /><br /> The American decision to present a proposed agreement was reportedly communicated by several senior officials, including the Special representative to the talks, Martin Indyk. Secretary of State John Kerry reportedly briefed Netanyahu on the matter when they last met, in Italy...."<br /><br />http://israelmatzav.blogspot.ca/2013/11/us-to-force-middle-east-settlement.html#linksDoodadhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03349941094682080146noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6579213173749170024.post-86789816341865277872013-11-04T08:41:03.885-08:002013-11-04T08:41:03.885-08:00"there is no grassroots "peace camp.&quo..."there is no grassroots "peace camp." That alone is telling about why the prospects for peace are quite remote, indeed<br /><br />An excellent point and one that you never seem to hear. Course you don't hear much about their "hate camps," except at places like this. Lots of those around.Doodadhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03349941094682080146noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6579213173749170024.post-27790926320291210002013-11-03T21:02:08.220-08:002013-11-03T21:02:08.220-08:00It should be obvious to those of us who are closel...It should be obvious to those of us who are closely following the Arab-Israel conflict that these negotiations are, for all intents and purposes, a set-up.<br /><br />The Palestinian-Arabs ask for more than they can reasonably get and then blame the Jews for the failure of talks, at which point John Kerry's "delegitimization on steroids" kicks in.<br /><br />This is imminent.<br /><br />Watch.Mike L.https://www.blogger.com/profile/06450806807610560873noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6579213173749170024.post-53042056730576199272013-11-03T20:58:28.320-08:002013-11-03T20:58:28.320-08:00Trudy,
thanks for this. I will check it out.Trudy,<br /><br />thanks for this. I will check it out.Mike L.https://www.blogger.com/profile/06450806807610560873noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6579213173749170024.post-52026878506178739402013-11-03T15:50:17.909-08:002013-11-03T15:50:17.909-08:00Some societies only understand how to function wit...Some societies only understand how to function within a framework of failure. They have to manufacture failure to ensure an adequate supply. Success is toxic to them. Empress Trudyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06073538968722986065noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6579213173749170024.post-9767730434204988362013-11-03T15:41:00.455-08:002013-11-03T15:41:00.455-08:00The Palestinian Arabs reject peace out of ideologi...The Palestinian Arabs reject peace out of ideological principle and they exalt the love of death as the highest aspiration of their society.<br /><br />Between these two things, a meeting of the minds between the Arabs and the Jews half way is inconceivable. And there is no real dialogue going on and on the Arab side, there is no grassroots "peace camp." That alone is telling about why the prospects for peace are quite remote, indeed.NormanFhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03365459073293643108noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6579213173749170024.post-26186614222461957192013-11-03T15:33:43.140-08:002013-11-03T15:33:43.140-08:00The real obstacle to peace is the Arab hate cultur...The real obstacle to peace is the Arab hate culture. They teach their children to hate.<br /><br />A society raised on hate is incapable of living in peace with others. Nothing the Jews do will change how the Arabs see them.<br /><br />Therefore by definition, peace is impossible in the Middle East.NormanFhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03365459073293643108noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6579213173749170024.post-29188668191467441522013-11-03T15:20:25.524-08:002013-11-03T15:20:25.524-08:00I read somewhere recently there was a PA document ...I read somewhere recently there was a PA document showing negotiating positions so extreme that it would be hard for anyone claiming reason to see who was the obstacle, and it was being concealed from mass dissemination, much like the PA celebrations for the murderers.<br /><br />oldschooltwentysixhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15672887176887940797noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6579213173749170024.post-24522765135337937812013-11-03T11:58:29.924-08:002013-11-03T11:58:29.924-08:00When Yaacov Lozowick still had a blog he covered t...When Yaacov Lozowick still had a blog he covered this in great detail<br /><br />http://yaacovlozowick.blogspot.com/p/dont-divide-jerusalem.html<br /><br />Lozowick is the German born former head of Israel's Yad Vashem archives and current chief achivist of the Israeli National Archives. <br /><br />I see he's restarted his personal blog to some degree without any of the political content of yore. Empress Trudyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06073538968722986065noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6579213173749170024.post-59501595327060750582013-11-03T11:39:03.158-08:002013-11-03T11:39:03.158-08:00The idea that Jews living in Israel is the obstacl...The idea that Jews living in Israel is the obstacle to peace is absurd. It's simply the next complaint from the idiots who are professional complainers. Empress Trudyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06073538968722986065noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6579213173749170024.post-83608340853477171802013-11-03T11:03:13.413-08:002013-11-03T11:03:13.413-08:00I agree.
Dividing Jerusalem is an absolutely terr...I agree.<br /><br />Dividing Jerusalem is an absolutely terrible idea and it will NOT lead to peace.<br /><br />So, what's the point?<br /><br />Mike L.https://www.blogger.com/profile/06450806807610560873noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6579213173749170024.post-78659690916938779542013-11-03T10:46:31.497-08:002013-11-03T10:46:31.497-08:00The irony of certain 'progressives' smeari...The irony of certain 'progressives' smearing Israel as an apartheid state, while calling for the creation of yet another Jew-free, medieval theocratic dictatorship, is truly astounding.<br /><br />Please correct me if I'm wrong, but is there any other ethnicity anywhere in the world, against whom it is considered acceptable in polite Western society to tell them where they can, or can not, choose to live?<br /><br />In any case, not one inch of Jerusalem should be given up for a future Palestine. That's the cost of endlessly saying no, and launching numerous terror wars and campaigns. If it were up to me, at least...JayinPhiladelphiahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14556212008313470286noreply@blogger.com