tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6579213173749170024.post3971272158035120144..comments2024-01-02T02:18:30.960-08:00Comments on Israel Thrives: Heritage Theft: A Response to Dani Ishai BehanMike L.http://www.blogger.com/profile/06450806807610560873noreply@blogger.comBlogger22125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6579213173749170024.post-17748153878046700772018-01-04T10:22:01.138-08:002018-01-04T10:22:01.138-08:00Trudy,
The whole "those people were there f...Trudy,<br /> The whole "those people were there first" narrative has resonated with people, and has therefore been used as a justification for seeing the Jewish State as illegitimate, born in sin. It used to be the first thing people would say to me whenever the subject was brought up. <br />This is the PLO's entire strategy in a nutshell. <br />JeffwithaJhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07073609950380822171noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6579213173749170024.post-32360309045820976592018-01-04T05:48:56.998-08:002018-01-04T05:48:56.998-08:00Trudy, I hear you, but I am not convinced that we ...Trudy, I hear you, but I am not convinced that we should just ignore the delegitimization campaign against Israel and, thus, against the Jewish people as a whole. It is due, at least in part, to the delegitimization campaign that the EU and the US and the UN continue to fund Arab efforts to murder Jews.<br /><br />Sharp elbows and fists I am good with, tho.Mike L.https://www.blogger.com/profile/06450806807610560873noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6579213173749170024.post-57974468707826632492018-01-03T05:25:14.775-08:002018-01-03T05:25:14.775-08:00You can say that again, brother.You can say that again, brother.Mike L.https://www.blogger.com/profile/06450806807610560873noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6579213173749170024.post-45052594720077649502018-01-02T20:29:09.536-08:002018-01-02T20:29:09.536-08:00Oy vey.Oy vey.JeffwithaJhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07073609950380822171noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6579213173749170024.post-24293191016360765962018-01-02T08:33:41.209-08:002018-01-02T08:33:41.209-08:00There are different aspects, past and present.
In...There are different aspects, past and present.<br /><br />In the past, at the beginning, the creation of Christianity itself was heritage theft, especially if one looks at Constantine's role, taking the good, but intentionally creating something that Jews could never accept.<br /><br />Today's threat is no longer heritage threat, but more in the form of mainline churches growing adoption of Palestinian narrative.<br /><br />Just because militant Islam is more pronounced today does not mean Christians have not tried to rob Jews of their history or their lives.<br /><br /> oldschooltwentysixhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15672887176887940797noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6579213173749170024.post-50186470936594398502018-01-02T08:15:46.995-08:002018-01-02T08:15:46.995-08:00Well, the Bible is a primary source and therefore ...Well, the Bible is a primary source and therefore is used by historians, among other primary sources, to piece together ancient history. <br /><br />It is not, however, a history text.<br /><br />It is that from which history, as a field of knowledge, along with the works of Herodotus and Thucydides, is ultimately derived in the West.<br /><br />It is also the most significant primary source that establishes the Jewish people as the people indigenous to the Land of Israel.<br /><br />In fact, now that I think on it, when Abbas claims that the Palestinian-Arabs are the "owners of history" even that is a form of heritage theft.<br /><br />The Jewish people, along with the ancient Greeks, developed history as an academic and objectively-inclined field of knowledge. <br /><br />Much of this is due to the historical aspects of the Bible.<br /><br />The Arabs who call themselves "Palestinian" had nothing to do with it.Mike L.https://www.blogger.com/profile/06450806807610560873noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6579213173749170024.post-21298982562300587802018-01-02T08:07:08.203-08:002018-01-02T08:07:08.203-08:00School, do you draw no distinction between the deg...School, do you draw no distinction between the degree and quality of Christian heritage theft and Islamic heritage theft? For that matter, it is not as if Judaism did not have religious predecessors that were borrowed from, either.<br /><br />But Christian heritage theft - or supersessionism which would be the main type - represents no threat to either Judaism or the Jewish people today... at least not compared to the rise of political Islam and the efforts among the enemies of the Jewish people to rob us of our history.Mike L.https://www.blogger.com/profile/06450806807610560873noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6579213173749170024.post-35608305774008817202018-01-02T07:57:31.382-08:002018-01-02T07:57:31.382-08:00Israelites differentiated themselves as a distinct...Israelites differentiated themselves as a distinct people before they returned to Canaan, and some Canaanites were not conquered, but assimilated.<br /><br />As for the comment that the Hebrew Bible is a shaky foundation for Jews, what nonsense.oldschooltwentysixhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15672887176887940797noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6579213173749170024.post-19232750327725910302018-01-02T07:50:13.964-08:002018-01-02T07:50:13.964-08:00Did not assert that any such claim was made, but o...Did not assert that any such claim was made, but only that Christians also committed heritage theft, organic derivation or not, with tragic consequences for Jews.oldschooltwentysixhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15672887176887940797noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6579213173749170024.post-84828509556303012902018-01-02T06:02:31.922-08:002018-01-02T06:02:31.922-08:00Delete your account?
Become my enemy?
Attack me ...Delete your account?<br /><br />Become my enemy?<br /><br />Attack me on other blogs?<br /><br />Jesus Christ, Mr. Cohen, I am sorry that you feel this way.Mike L.https://www.blogger.com/profile/06450806807610560873noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6579213173749170024.post-42626582207911395332018-01-02T06:00:30.483-08:002018-01-02T06:00:30.483-08:00I am not anti-religious, but surely you would agre...I am not anti-religious, but surely you would agree that the Jewish people were one tribe among others in the Land of Canaan and that, ultimately, we emerged from that land as a distinct people from within the various tribes and groups that made up that land.<br /><br />I hardly think that this is a controversial statement.Mike L.https://www.blogger.com/profile/06450806807610560873noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6579213173749170024.post-54073162632860223672018-01-02T02:20:07.764-08:002018-01-02T02:20:07.764-08:00The Jewish Bible is disbelieved by the majority of...The Jewish Bible is disbelieved by the majority of those we want to convince. Worse, it's a shaky foundation even for Jews, because it makes our right to the Land of Israel conditional.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6579213173749170024.post-32287816104479419132018-01-01T22:10:45.796-08:002018-01-01T22:10:45.796-08:00Another thing:
If you delete my comment or ignor...Another thing: <br /><br />If you delete my comment or ignore it, then I will become your enemy and start attacking you on other blogs.Mr. Cohenhttp://groups.yahoo.com/group/DerechEmet/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6579213173749170024.post-1476627445900090432018-01-01T22:01:52.813-08:002018-01-01T22:01:52.813-08:00Michael Lumish, you correctly accuse Muslims of he...Michael Lumish, you correctly accuse Muslims of heritage theft against the Jewish people. <br /><br />But you are just as bad as they are, when you falsely slander the Jewish people by saying that they “emerged out of a mish-mash of competing peoples”. <br /><br />This super-ignorant remark totally ignores and denies everything that is written in the Jewish Bible, also known as the <i>Tanach</i> or the OT (Only Testament).<br /><br />I also feel demoralized by your refusal to stop using bad language on this blog, despite my best efforts to persuade you to stop. You may find this hard to believe, but there are still decent and spiritually-sensitive people alive today, who are offended by the incessant and relentless use of bad language that surrounds us 24 hours a day and 365 days a year.<br /><br />The Jewish claim to the Land of Israel, and the reason why Jews want it, are both based on the Jewish Bible. By not believing in the Jewish Bible, and by not obeying its teachings, you undermine the Jewish claim to the Land of Israel.<br /><br />Last but not least, there is more wisdom in the Biblical Book of Proverbs than there is in 5,000 Harvard PhDs.Mr. Cohenhttp://groups.yahoo.com/group/DerechEmet/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6579213173749170024.post-3491639437419957072018-01-01T21:46:13.686-08:002018-01-01T21:46:13.686-08:00https://israel-thrives.blogspot.com/2017/12/herita...https://israel-thrives.blogspot.com/2017/12/heritage-theft-response-to-dani-ishai.htmlMr. Cohenhttp://groups.yahoo.com/group/DerechEmet/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6579213173749170024.post-72612520648153813322018-01-01T13:25:18.054-08:002018-01-01T13:25:18.054-08:00Haven't Christians also engaged in heritage th...Haven't Christians also engaged in heritage theft? <br /><br />Wonder what Jesus would say about whether what has happened in his name was according to his intent.oldschooltwentysixhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15672887176887940797noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6579213173749170024.post-91113660211822439982018-01-01T13:21:31.127-08:002018-01-01T13:21:31.127-08:00Not so sure how many of the Israelites mixed, not ...Not so sure how many of the Israelites mixed, not counting the 10 tribes to the north that evaporated. <br /><br />This seems especially so in Babylonia, where Israelites started to be known as the Jews.<br /><br />For a cultural Jew without much knowledge of the Hebrew Bible, what it says and means, this series of videos is highly recommended:<br /><br />http://oyc.yale.edu/religious-studies/rlst-145oldschooltwentysixhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15672887176887940797noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6579213173749170024.post-27472523997789542772018-01-01T11:34:17.141-08:002018-01-01T11:34:17.141-08:00Yes, everyone loves Ahed Tamimi.
It seems to me t...Yes, everyone loves Ahed Tamimi.<br /><br />It seems to me that assaulting a soldier is maybe not such a small thing.<br /><br />Obviously throughout most of the rest of the world people do not generally survive even symbolic attacks on the power of the state.<br /><br />So, what should Israel's response be?<br /><br />In any case, thanks for the link to Israellycool.<br /><br />We are fans around these parts.Mike L.https://www.blogger.com/profile/06450806807610560873noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6579213173749170024.post-16014541735029451772018-01-01T07:18:26.129-08:002018-01-01T07:18:26.129-08:00Perhaps we are Babylonian, in a sense.
The Jews a...Perhaps we are Babylonian, in a sense.<br /><br />The Jews are just one among many ancient tribal peoples from the Levant.<br /><br />There are no hard lines.<br /><br />The Jews... or the Israelites... or the Hebrews... emerged out of a mish-mash of competing peoples in what they used to call the Cradle of Civilization.<br /><br />{The West no longer uses that phrase because weak Euros are ashamed of it.}<br /><br />But those of us who are of Jewish extraction are also Jebusite and Hittite and Phoenician, among many other clans and groups and tribes.<br /><br />I am no expert on the history and traditions of the ancient Israelites, but we were one among many and we cross-fertilized with all of those people, physically and culturally.<br /><br />There are three major differences, tho.<br /><br />1) The Jews, as a self-identified group, survived. <br /><br />We are the only one among our old friends, or enemies, to do so.<br /><br />2) By giving the world The Book we influenced the entire future history of the world up to, and including, this very day.<br /><br />3) We still pay for it.Mike L.https://www.blogger.com/profile/06450806807610560873noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6579213173749170024.post-48578356533386659602017-12-31T11:06:49.800-08:002017-12-31T11:06:49.800-08:00I think that I am going to take a closer look at t...I think that I am going to take a closer look at that book.Mike L.https://www.blogger.com/profile/06450806807610560873noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6579213173749170024.post-17652342979116396502017-12-31T09:14:39.305-08:002017-12-31T09:14:39.305-08:00That paragraph on the Holocaust and Zionism is a b...That paragraph on the Holocaust and Zionism is a bunch of gobbledygook. It evokes no clarity, it only muddies the waters, IMV.<br />Putting the Holocaust and Nakba in a common frame, puts a square peg in a round hole. It is not to "provoke new thinking" or any other catchy, trendy phrases. It is to conflate separate, unequal, and non-analogous events with each other for some very unattractive political ends.JeffwithaJhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07073609950380822171noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6579213173749170024.post-47006042941351873162017-12-31T07:30:59.584-08:002017-12-31T07:30:59.584-08:00So I was watching one of those pop sci documentari...So I was watching one of those pop sci documentaries on the Tower of Babel. Fun fact from The Smithsonian.......the Jews were invented (their word) by the Babylonians in the 7th century after 'people' (their word) were exiled from Jerusalem to Babylon....<br /><br />Hmmmm... fascinating. So we're all Babylonians now. Empress Trudyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06073538968722986065noreply@blogger.com