tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6579213173749170024.post5202504610108247271..comments2024-01-02T02:18:30.960-08:00Comments on Israel Thrives: Hillary's Right-Wing DelusionsMike L.http://www.blogger.com/profile/06450806807610560873noreply@blogger.comBlogger6125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6579213173749170024.post-59836463177548192222014-06-13T23:26:28.375-07:002014-06-13T23:26:28.375-07:00I just read in The Inky today a little back-page p...I just read in The Inky today a little back-page piece noting how Americans are more partisan now than ever before, or at least since there's been polling. Only something like 39% of adults in the US hold both conservative and liberal views, while a majority in the poll hold straight-line, one or the other, beliefs. I really don't understand how this can be, especially since some of the shit considered a 'left' view or a 'right' view anymore is completely random at times, and hardly make any sense.<br /><br />As for me, if anything, I'm probably less partisan now than I've ever been. But then again, I'm a contrarian. So maybe I sensed the trend and then went against it just to screw with everybody. ;-P<br /><br />Ah, but yeah. I don't see myself as being in a tough spot of any sort. I was maybe bewildered for about three days when I started being called something like a right-wing racisty right-wing racist with two racist right wings by certain folks, until I thought it through and then just laughed and said fuck them.<br /><br />My point about not turning Israel advocacy into a partisan issue isn't because I view myself as a liberal (which I do, and which I am), and is not a defensive objection. Rather, it is because it's just bad politics. For all involved, except for the handful of fanatical antisemites on the left who <i>do want</i> Israel to become a left vs. right issue. JayinPhiladelphiahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14556212008313470286noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6579213173749170024.post-47724761198221869672014-06-12T11:48:35.264-07:002014-06-12T11:48:35.264-07:00Sounds kind of like Arafat.Sounds kind of like Arafat.Mike L.https://www.blogger.com/profile/06450806807610560873noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6579213173749170024.post-25598485245625502742014-06-11T10:19:33.221-07:002014-06-11T10:19:33.221-07:00The key to unlocking this is an understanding that...The key to unlocking this is an understanding that American presidents have no interest in settling this at all. They never have. What they're after is praise and accolades and lasting honor at being anointed with the mantle of having 'fixed' this. It's completely self - focused. They, and Hillary included, couldn't care less if Israel burned. So what she'll work for is a made up man made crisis - by Hillary - that she can then step into to pretend to avert. Empress Trudyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06073538968722986065noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6579213173749170024.post-77744574250830479222014-06-11T08:02:26.331-07:002014-06-11T08:02:26.331-07:00Jay, I have to tell you that you have been one of ...Jay, I have to tell you that you have been one of the best friends that this blog has had and I understand that you are in rather a tough spot. In truth, it's pretty much the same tough spot that I was in.<br /><br />When it comes to the Arab-Israel conflict "left" and "right" are basically meaningless. There is nothing particularly "right-wing" about standing up for the national liberation of the Jewish people, just as their is nothing particularly "right-wing" about standing up for the national sovereignty of the Kurds or the Tibetans.<br /><br />In fact, when I was coming up standing for the national sovereignty of historically oppressed people was generally considered Left.Mike L.https://www.blogger.com/profile/06450806807610560873noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6579213173749170024.post-49507612631294139332014-06-11T07:19:19.252-07:002014-06-11T07:19:19.252-07:00Hillary shapes the individual words of the individ...Hillary shapes the individual words of the individual messages targeted at each unique individual audience. Much like Obama, about half or slightly more than half of everything she says is a distortion, a lie, a missing fact or similar such spin. She is, I suppose, just another political nihilist who believes in nothing.Empress Trudyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06073538968722986065noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6579213173749170024.post-78043489823219185242014-06-11T00:34:24.953-07:002014-06-11T00:34:24.953-07:00It's probably best to just stop viewing this i...It's probably best to just stop viewing this issue within the prism of right wing - left wing to begin with. Making support of Israel a partisan issue is a losing proposition for pro-Israel advocates on both ends of the political spectrum, and those in the middle as well.<br /><br />As Daniel would have said, it's best to just speak the truth anymore, and I would particularly focus that it's necessary to leave partisan bickering out of it, on all sides.<br /><br />Oslo is dead. There will never be a negotiated 'peace.'<br /><br />It's time for unilateral action, and I hope Israel can take that soon. But as an American, it's not my place to tell them what to do. I can only support them from afar, and hope they do right.<br /><br />There are many ways to go about it, fortunately. An actual 'one state' solution is the only wrong way, imo.<br /><br />Also, those who claim that Jews living outside of Israel's final borders are an impediment to peace, need to explain their astonishing bigotry, or at least embrace the fact that they are blatant antisemites.<br /><br />I think that's all I have to say for now...JayinPhiladelphiahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14556212008313470286noreply@blogger.com