tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6579213173749170024.post5415952760103590468..comments2024-01-02T02:18:30.960-08:00Comments on Israel Thrives: Responding to Peter Beinart's argumentsMike L.http://www.blogger.com/profile/06450806807610560873noreply@blogger.comBlogger7125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6579213173749170024.post-89950031351097525302020-07-27T23:33:41.520-07:002020-07-27T23:33:41.520-07:00People that know nothing about the situation do no...People that know nothing about the situation do not know who Beinart is. It is doubtful if they would seek out primary source material. Beinart basically preaches to the choir and the pro-Israel crowd, so they can argue among themselves. It's fair to say he presents a one-sided version of events that is deceptive and bone-headed without getting into his specifics. The uninitiated may get more benefit from "The Case for Israel" or something in that vein, than from playing Beinart's game.oldschooltwentysixhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15672887176887940797noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6579213173749170024.post-80259162756569037212020-07-27T19:52:19.871-07:002020-07-27T19:52:19.871-07:00To someone who knows nothing about the situation, ...To someone who knows nothing about the situation, what Beinart suggests sounds perfectly reasonable. Responding as you suggest sends the message that we're entitled, which is exactly how the Left wants to present our case.<br /><br />Responding to their call to openness to hearing the Palestinians' case with saying that they should be open to primary source history about the Independence War (as from Kramer), or primary source material about what is actually provided to the Palestinians (such as from COGAT) might not penetrate Beinart and his ilk. But anyone who hears the exchange and wants to be educated would at least know where to get the information that Beinart doesn't want them to know.Sar Shalomhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12249389597567433544noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6579213173749170024.post-4346450994865267182020-07-27T18:53:34.811-07:002020-07-27T18:53:34.811-07:00That't an exercise in futility, as Beinart and...That't an exercise in futility, as Beinart and the others repeatedly illustrate. At best they give lip service. They offer no context, but a one-sided narrative. Rather than try to argue with them, better to say they engage in deception, akin to the race hustlers described by Booker T. Washington. And further to call them out for enabling the degradation of women and others in their heroes.oldschooltwentysixhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12318553861120812740noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6579213173749170024.post-73264397031541322812020-07-27T17:26:56.183-07:002020-07-27T17:26:56.183-07:00Arguing that there is something in and of itself i...Arguing that there is something in and of itself in asking people to hear directly from the Palestinians is never going to convince anyone. What has a chance is to argue that for that first-hand knowledge to actually constitute knowledge requires zooming out in order to put what the Palestinians say in perspective. When hearing the Palestinians tell their story about the Nakba, also listen to Martin Kramer. When hearing their story about materials being denied, also listen to COGAT. When hearing their story about permits being denied, also listen to Regavim. Say to the Leftists, we'll listen to the Palestinians if you will listen to Kramer, COGAT, and Regavim.Sar Shalomhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12249389597567433544noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6579213173749170024.post-3376790697602088972020-07-27T11:21:22.829-07:002020-07-27T11:21:22.829-07:00I would say, Beinart has now made it clear, just i...I would say, Beinart has now made it clear, just in case there is anyone who didn't yet realize it, that he is not a Zionist, at least not in any way pertaining to the real world. He can sit in his expensive office or in his expensive home made possible by large sums of money received from other elites for writing his nonsense, and redefine any terms he wants. He can redefine a "peckerwood" as someone with "white privilege," if he wants to, and most likely would. It just doesn't mean anything. <br /><br />"Beinart and Goldberg: American Jews should see the Palestinians’ situation firsthand for themselves."<br />What makes them think that it would do anyone any good to have less knowing and aware people assess a situation none of them ever has to live with? It seems that at least Beinart is saying that American Jews are more perceptive and moral beings than Israeli Jews, and that Israelis are incapable of knowing what's in their own best interest and acting as responsible adults. And of course the same is assumed for the Arabs throughout the former mandate. Truly a man of the Left, and a fuckwit to boot. The stench is nauseating. <br /><br />"Beinart: When we talk about cancel-culture, we have to start in our own house."<br />Peter Beinart wants cancel Israel. <br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br />I think Benjamin Kerstein's peace summed up Peter Beinart's position quite nicely. JeffwithaJhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07073609950380822171noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6579213173749170024.post-45273903677876515042020-07-27T05:55:01.044-07:002020-07-27T05:55:01.044-07:00Nicely done, Sar.
Were it up to me, I would exten...Nicely done, Sar.<br /><br />Were it up to me, I would extend Israeli sovereignty throughout Judea and Samaria. The natural objection is that this would place Israel in an untenuous demographic position, but that not need to be the case. There is, after all, no reason to offer all non-Jews in the region automatic citizenship.<br /><br />You do not offer citizenship to those who want to kill your citizens and destroy your country.<br /><br />What I would do is offer a "pathway to citizenship." I would start with a series of interviews. Obviously, you cannot interview every non-Jewish, non-Israeli, non-citizen within Judea and Samaria, but you can interview a reasonable sampling. Those who express hatred toward either Israel or Jews would immediately be deported.<br /><br />{I kind of like the idea of Antarctica, but that is merely a fanciful whim.}<br /><br />Those who remain would be offered three years of national service. If after those three years they receive a good report then they would be offered citizenship. Those who do not receive a good report would not be offered citizenship.<br /><br />This should deal with the demographic issue quite nicely.<br /><br />Some suggest that this might be against international law, but international law is a chimera.Mike L.https://www.blogger.com/profile/06450806807610560873noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6579213173749170024.post-79179972553148294992020-07-27T05:03:25.114-07:002020-07-27T05:03:25.114-07:00Excellent analysis. I look fwd to future posts!Excellent analysis. I look fwd to future posts!Doodadhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03349941094682080146noreply@blogger.com