tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6579213173749170024.post5831282615611121182..comments2024-01-02T02:18:30.960-08:00Comments on Israel Thrives: Hillary Bids for Jewish SupportMike L.http://www.blogger.com/profile/06450806807610560873noreply@blogger.comBlogger14125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6579213173749170024.post-47784431111320971892015-11-16T22:35:26.795-08:002015-11-16T22:35:26.795-08:00also, see: http://www.people-press.org/2014/07/15/...also, see: http://www.people-press.org/2014/07/15/as-mideast-violence-continues-a-wide-partisan-gap-in-israel-palestinian-sympathies/ I think the real world is very different than the internet.If HRC returns to a firmer and more robust pro-Israel stance and calls out Islamic terror (which I think in time, she will), I do hope you'll consider voting her.Kumarhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04295581694030031756noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6579213173749170024.post-22170546196780770262015-11-14T07:54:02.914-08:002015-11-14T07:54:02.914-08:00just one important bit: I'm with Alan Dershowi...just one important bit: I'm with Alan Dershowitz on HRC and 2016: http://www.tabletmag.com/scroll/193050/a-conversation-with-alan-dershowitz he's for her, as I am, prob for the same reason.Kumarhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04295581694030031756noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6579213173749170024.post-78603717182674543892015-11-13T22:47:21.089-08:002015-11-13T22:47:21.089-08:00ehhh I beg to differ on Hillary. Fact is yes, she ...ehhh I beg to differ on Hillary. Fact is yes, she paid lip service to Obama's foreign policy, but I still believe, 6.5 years later that had she been nominated in 2008 and elected, inaugurated in 2009, America's relationship with Israel would've never hit this low in the first place. You could attack her principles for serving him, but there is only so much we can expect for members of either party, I mean after all, Dubya himself never ditched Oslo. <br /><br />Remember, Oslo occurred because Bush Sr. started the US dialogue with the PLO, got the Madrid Conference to happen. Bill Clinton was initially opposed to a Palestinian state, as in his 1992 campaign manifesto "Putting People First." Thing is Oslo went to far and by his 9th month in office, it was off the ground. Republicans and Democrats alike deserved blame to buying Arafat.<br /><br />HRC also did bail on Obama BEFORE he had this shit Iran deal. Its obvious she supported it (tho she only said things to that effect) for one reason: to keep Barack Hussein Obama from having Joe Biden enter the race. She is also facing a far-left communist in the primary.<br /><br />I also still cannot vote solely on Israel, but in a primary, it sure as hell influences me, which is why I hate Bernie Sanders and many, if not most of his (almost)-communist supporters. If I were voting on Israel alone, yes, I'd vote GOP. But there's so much more in terms of issues, and I forsee a huge departure from Obama's pro-Islam foreign policy.Kumarhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04295581694030031756noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6579213173749170024.post-11113264048185342792015-11-11T06:12:32.140-08:002015-11-11T06:12:32.140-08:00By the by, the White House started making noise ab...By the by, the White House started making noise about Jon Pollard again, reminding us that Obama holds his fate in his hands. Pollard will purportedly be released soon but Obama personally stated he would not interfere with the terms of his parole forcing him to remain in the US for another 5 years. Of course he hasn't been released yet and if nothing else Obama is a petty vindictive tool so he may not be released at all. Or who knows, maybe Netanyahu had to genuflect and kiss his ass at this 'most productive meeting ever' to obtain his release. Empress Trudyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06073538968722986065noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6579213173749170024.post-33699827229403760782015-11-10T12:25:17.560-08:002015-11-10T12:25:17.560-08:00Let me expand on this. The term 'honest broker...Let me expand on this. The term 'honest broker' imagines itself sitting in sublime indifference on Mt Something parceling out nuggets of wisdom and fairness to the squabbling tribes. This is patently stupid. It is a moral inversion of the highest order. Stabbing children in the face is the same as defending children from being stabbed. Calling for the industrial extermination of all Jews is the same as not supporting that. <br /><br />That is the world of the honest broker. Like Sweden in WW2 selling steel to the Nazis because, hey, we're not sure that they're better or worse than anyone else. <br /><br />This the stance that the Obama administration claims to adopt. Fair enough, it is what it is. But let's not delude ourselves that because the US thinks it has a stranglehold on the Jews to do its bidding is a friendly gesture or even much of an honest broker when the Arabs are paid hundreds of millions of dollars a year to foment atrocities. That only makes sense if you think atrocities are a good and noble thing. Or least not better or worse than anything else in this post modernist milieu. Empress Trudyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06073538968722986065noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6579213173749170024.post-72339534190253251262015-11-10T10:40:34.833-08:002015-11-10T10:40:34.833-08:00Just because they don't say it in public does ...Just because they don't say it in public does not mean they don't say it. <br /><br />Perhaps you are wearing blinders?<br /><br />Eisenhower and Kissinger were not hanging out with the likes of Reverend Wright and Rashid Khalidi, among others.<br /><br />Nor were they living in a world where Islamic terror exists on a wide scale and leftist hate toward Israel and Jews has become the norm.<br /><br />Nor were their administrations awash with anti-Israel voices. Robert Malley and Susan Rice first come to mind.<br /><br />Nor did they seek out ways to demean Israel and its leaders, as Republicans-lite and worse. I'll go with interpretations recently offered by Micheal Oren and Dennis Ross that Obama has acted gratuitously and made things much worse than needed to be.<br /><br />Once Obama leaves office, assuming he has not sold Israel out at the Security Council, it would be no surprise to see him act as Jimmy Carter has.oldschooltwentysixhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15672887176887940797noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6579213173749170024.post-40818188253573005232015-11-10T10:18:22.233-08:002015-11-10T10:18:22.233-08:00Some beauty contest. Obama is slightly less unhing...Some beauty contest. Obama is slightly less unhinged than Hamas. But Ike was even a little less unhinged. Nixon we're not so sure of either way.<br /><br />Look, there are no allies when it comes to the Jews. None. There are situational partners in a short term relationship. So it's enormously funny to me to hear people like joseph tell me "He's not the worst!" and then pout and scream when I think the Israelis should for the most part abandon the US and find other partners. <br /><br />I'll give you this. Obama isn't leading the charge of Jew hatred from the left in America. He's following it. Empress Trudyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06073538968722986065noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6579213173749170024.post-18044843029769480652015-11-10T09:50:25.929-08:002015-11-10T09:50:25.929-08:00Joseph,
you make a not unfair argument.
The Eise...<br />Joseph,<br /><br />you make a not unfair argument.<br /><br />The Eisenhower administration did not much like Israel and neither did James Baker under either Reagan or Bush the First.<br /><br />Kissinger under Nixon was no particular friend to Israel, but Nixon did crucially supply the IDF during the Yom Kippur War.<br /><br />The distinction that I would draw is that no previous administration publicly favored Islamists.<br /><br />Fizziks has given me something of a hard time for harping on this, but the Obama administration actually, and publicly, favored the Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt during a time when they literally called for the conquest of Jerusalem.<br /><br />Furthermore, no other US presidential administration has ever displayed its hatred for an Israeli PM by calling him or her "chickenshit" in the pages of a major American political publication... or any insult remotely close to that.<br /><br />There is no doubt that the contempt of this administration for the Jewish State of Israel exceeds that of any before it.<br /><br />It seems clear to me that you are approaching these questions from a partisan perspective, but I very definitely welcome liberals and leftists and Democrats on these pages.<br /><br />I come out of that political tradition.<br /><br />Some people here are going to disagree with you, but you are obviously an intelligent guy.<br /><br />Continue to make your case.Mike L.https://www.blogger.com/profile/06450806807610560873noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6579213173749170024.post-35037335177422019542015-11-10T08:53:47.656-08:002015-11-10T08:53:47.656-08:00To say that Obama is the most anti-Israel presiden...To say that Obama is the most anti-Israel president is to reveal a stunning ignorance of history. Start with how Eisenhower acted in 1956 when he protected Egypt against Israel, France and England. I don't recall any Obama official saying, as Kissinger did during the Yom Kuppur War, that "Jews had to suffer," thus resulting in the unnecessary deaths of Israeli soldiers. Nor did anybody in the Obama administration say, "Fuck the Jews, they don't vote for us," as James Baker did. And this says nothing about the last Bush administration, which was much closer to Saudi Arabia than it was to Israel and forced Israel to withdraw from Lebanon in 2006. Today, Obama and Bibi met and reinforced the strong relationship between their two countries, despite Netanyahu;'s unfortunate attempt to influence the American elections.josephhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09057606413590949268noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6579213173749170024.post-51515220524986250772015-11-10T08:06:03.699-08:002015-11-10T08:06:03.699-08:00The Liberty absurdity was famously pushed by that ...The Liberty absurdity was famously pushed by that notorious liberal, Robert Novak.josephhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09057606413590949268noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6579213173749170024.post-52482848680318867542015-11-10T04:39:36.309-08:002015-11-10T04:39:36.309-08:00Marco Rubio on the upcoming European trade rule:
...Marco Rubio on the upcoming European trade rule:<br /><br />http://www.nationalreview.com/european-union-trade-rule-israel-discriminatorykhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04651898817618608477noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6579213173749170024.post-77639921012920241562015-11-09T21:22:47.857-08:002015-11-09T21:22:47.857-08:00I'm not sure we need to worry about dkos anymo...I'm not sure we need to worry about dkos anymore. They redesigned the site, and it's now unreadable. Randall Kohnhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06262147784760614189noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6579213173749170024.post-61892103313074143192015-11-09T20:18:39.862-08:002015-11-09T20:18:39.862-08:00Well lookee here. Serial Israel hater subir at dKo...Well lookee here. Serial Israel hater subir at dKos finally let the mask down as he doubled down on the USS Liberty far right conspiracy crap. It's always just a matter of time with these guys.<br /><br />http://www.dailykos.com/story/2015/11/09/1447721/-How-Benjamin-Netanyahu-betrayed-AmericaDoodadhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03349941094682080146noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6579213173749170024.post-13057216483515874912015-11-08T14:58:11.170-08:002015-11-08T14:58:11.170-08:00The only people who believe her are the people who...The only people who believe her are the people who already worship her. No one should be swayed by this. She has a long history of being pro PLO pro terrorist pro antisemite. Empress Trudyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06073538968722986065noreply@blogger.com