tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6579213173749170024.post7193093292023786766..comments2024-01-02T02:18:30.960-08:00Comments on Israel Thrives: Freedom from "the Group"Mike L.http://www.blogger.com/profile/06450806807610560873noreply@blogger.comBlogger29125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6579213173749170024.post-59139564259708411002012-06-26T00:11:31.066-07:002012-06-26T00:11:31.066-07:00And imagine that, Mike. Unlike certain folks out ...And imagine that, Mike. Unlike certain folks out there, you actually managed to redefine / clarify the point of your blog without stealing the words and work of others!JayinPhiladelphiahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14556212008313470286noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6579213173749170024.post-15934510452804050552012-06-24T23:27:41.274-07:002012-06-24T23:27:41.274-07:00Dan,
thank you for the MB links.
This material i...Dan,<br /><br />thank you for the MB links.<br /><br />This material is very important and I will front page it.Mike L.https://www.blogger.com/profile/06450806807610560873noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6579213173749170024.post-42253496999120478412012-06-24T12:28:53.849-07:002012-06-24T12:28:53.849-07:00Former Leftist Eric Allen Bell: What is right abou...Former Leftist Eric Allen Bell: What is right about Pamela Geller and Robert Spencer<br /><br />http://www.jihadwatch.org/2012/03/former-leftist-eric-allen-bell-what-is-right-about-pamela-geller-and-robert-spencer.htmlDaniel Bielakhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15792786894694523598noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6579213173749170024.post-78653149090341435212012-06-24T11:58:40.260-07:002012-06-24T11:58:40.260-07:00Muslim Brotherhood's Morsi named Egypt's P...<b>Muslim Brotherhood's Morsi named Egypt's President</b><br />http://www.jihadwatch.org/2012/06/muslim-brotherhoods-morsi-named-egypts-president.html<br /><br /><br />MB Leader: "Allah Imposed Hitler upon the Jews to Punish Them" "Next Time...[by] the Believers"<br />http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x6lZJ-M9xbQ<br /><br />MB Leaders Calling for Killing of the Jews, quoting Bukhari, at Rally, Nov. 2011<br />http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fzMmOllSMCA<br /><br />Muslim Brotherhood speaker - "The Capital of the Caliphate...will be Jerusalem", May 1, 2012<br />http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AqdS4wvWYXw<br /><br />Tarek Fatah: Islamism; Obama administration has been infiltrated by the Muslim Brotherhood<br />http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BcAPX8GtELI<br /><br />Barack Obama and Islam - Spencer, Ibrahim, Gaffney respond to a question<br />http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HPRzkSOH3Cc<br /><br />A primer on Islam and the contemporary Islamic supremacist political movement:<br /><br />Raymond Ibrahim: The Muslim Perspective<br />http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c-MXrGjujjo<br /><br />----<br /><br /><b>Jews Failed to Spot Hitler's Menace</b><br />http://forward.com/articles/157832/jews-failed-to-spot-hitlers-menace/<br /><br />----<br /><br />Parallels:<br /><br />LA Jewish group capitulates to Hamas-linked CAIR, cancels Geller event<br />http://www.jihadwatch.org/2012/06/la-jewish-group-capitulates-to-hamas-linked-cair-cancels-geller-event.html<br /><br /><b>Tragically Chilling Forgotten News: Nazi Party Representatives Attend 1933 Berlin Jewish Community Winter Relief Gathering</b><br />http://chinaconfidential.blogspot.com/2011/12/forgotten-news-nazis-attend-1933-berlin.htmlDaniel Bielakhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15792786894694523598noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6579213173749170024.post-28586373041867703822012-06-23T10:24:03.573-07:002012-06-23T10:24:03.573-07:00On this issue, yes, many on the political left beh...On this issue, yes, many on the political left behave badly and ignore events and the obvious, constructing a environment that chills discussion of ideas and encourages demonization.<br /><br />Many on the political right, however, play similar games if one does not subscribe to "the Group" and "groupthink" as they practice it, oblivious to the realities of others, and no less prone to acts of demonization.oldschooltwentysixhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15672887176887940797noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6579213173749170024.post-6852459896127100302012-06-23T09:43:23.656-07:002012-06-23T09:43:23.656-07:00The whole dynamic of the overall discussion on the...The whole dynamic of the overall discussion on the left is set up in a way that prevents people from even discussing, or acknowledging, radical Islam.<br /><br />If you so much as even notice that there are imams throughout the Muslim world screaming for Jewish blood it makes you an "Islamaphobe."<br /><br />In order to be a good Jew within "the group" one must be silent about the genocidal Jew Hatred emanating from within the Muslim Middle East.<br /><br />It is for this reason that some on the left can literally ally themselves with Hamas and still think of themselves as rational progressives.<br /><br />We have been intimidated into silence concerning those who would do us harm and it is people, such as those who comprise "the group," who do much to encourage that intimidation and shaming.<br /><br />We cannot resolve the problem of radical Islam, however, without discussing it, but we cannot even discuss it without being smeared as racist.<br /><br />How's that for a sick and evil game?<br /><br />And, yes, it is a sick and evil game coming from the political left, not the political right.Mike L.https://www.blogger.com/profile/06450806807610560873noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6579213173749170024.post-53813336800908691412012-06-23T09:17:16.572-07:002012-06-23T09:17:16.572-07:00I thought fizziks was more open-minded than some o...I thought fizziks was more open-minded than some others.<br /><br />Although some rhetoric here may on occasion go past what I would prefer, it is ridiculous to call this a hate site, especially when it's done in a hateful way, as "the Group" is wont to do.<br /><br />That said, I agree that fighting clowns is not productive.oldschooltwentysixhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15672887176887940797noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6579213173749170024.post-73834137472752264062012-06-23T06:57:11.917-07:002012-06-23T06:57:11.917-07:00I presume 'fizziks' is a person of sorts !...I presume 'fizziks' is a person of sorts !!Shirl in Ozhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08145644692590907775noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6579213173749170024.post-79920729370929802942012-06-23T00:19:12.742-07:002012-06-23T00:19:12.742-07:00You might want to move on from fizziks and his lam...You might want to move on from fizziks and his lame ideas. Fighting clowns one at a time may not get us anywhere.Randall Kohnhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06262147784760614189noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6579213173749170024.post-38618367505440792472012-06-22T23:05:35.442-07:002012-06-22T23:05:35.442-07:00I can't help but notice that not a single indi...I can't help but notice that not a single individual who is welcome to challenge me here, has done so.<br /><br />Some call this a "hate site" but who has the gonads to justify that malicious charge?<br /><br />Hey, fizziks,<br /><br />why don't you come here and explain it to us?Mike L.https://www.blogger.com/profile/06450806807610560873noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6579213173749170024.post-71294791785382552072012-06-22T21:29:42.398-07:002012-06-22T21:29:42.398-07:00Jay
If posting here cost you friends, sorry to sa...Jay<br /><br />If posting here cost you friends, sorry to say they weren't friends in the beginning!<br /><br />I've had run-ins lately with a few people, because I don't agree with them on everything they say. <br /><br />What makes them right and me wrong? One is high up and knowledgeable with the Community hierarchy. He couldn't understand why I didn't agree with everything he said. I was taking a course he was running. During the last two sessions almost every statement he made, he prefaced with "That is of course if Shirlee agrees with it" I don’t think he has quite got over it, but at least now we discuss things. It’s not a case of him telling me everything now.<br /><br />………. To fall out over a difference in thought,?? Sorry I have no time for people like that.<br /><br />On rare occasions my thoughts run slightly to the left. Hope I haven’t committed a mortal sin by admitting that. I was raised very much on the left. My father was an elected member of government in England for 25 years as a Communist. I grew up on rallies, speeches, electioneering and protests , which are in my blood , that’s what I still enjoy and really get stuck into, albeit on the opposite side of politics.<br /><br />Don’t faint by that admission.<br /><br />Communism in Britain, I now realise after reading and researching, was a very different brand of Communism to that in the US and Australia. It wasn’t militant and anti everything that opens and closes. It was very much defending the rights of the working class. I’m telling you this, because I was upset by something I felt whilst in Israel and a guy took me to task over it. You’d have thought I’d committed a murder “Have you told so-and-so how you feel? You’ve been brainwashed. It’s the Left upbringing you had” It appears that only those on the left are supposed to have compassion for their fellow men.<br /><br />He said he wouldn’t speak to me again and told me that he wished me well and goodbye. I worked hard to get that relationship back on track, so Jay, if you feel these people are important in your life, work on re-building that relationship. If it doesn’t work don’t be downcast. They obviously they are not worthy of your friendship.Shirl in Ozhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08145644692590907775noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6579213173749170024.post-11730543554833684952012-06-22T18:12:39.578-07:002012-06-22T18:12:39.578-07:00Sad when politics leads to stuff like this, especi...Sad when politics leads to stuff like this, especially when friendships are involved. I know I was initially very hurt to learn I was suddenly an evil hate site dweller. I always thought I was a pretty nice guy!Doodadhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03349941094682080146noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6579213173749170024.post-27314799600838591042012-06-22T17:30:17.401-07:002012-06-22T17:30:17.401-07:00Kind of dead over there.Kind of dead over there.oldschooltwentysixhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15672887176887940797noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6579213173749170024.post-24150566645156675732012-06-22T16:43:40.158-07:002012-06-22T16:43:40.158-07:00Jay,
a number of those people, if my experience i...Jay,<br /><br />a number of those people, if my experience is any indication, will continue to associate with you... just not in any way that is public to the others.<br /><br />This is what it means to be an apostate.Mike L.https://www.blogger.com/profile/06450806807610560873noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6579213173749170024.post-11044719022096633102012-06-22T16:29:22.796-07:002012-06-22T16:29:22.796-07:00Ah, but actually... to answer your question, thoug...Ah, but actually... to answer your question, though?<br /><br />I do still care.<br /><br />Posting here eventually cost me about a dozen friends, and the worst part is that none of them even had the gall to come to me directly about it. But in the end, it doesn't matter any more, and if any of them have the nerve to say anything to me (they don't), they still know exactly how and where to find me.<br /><br />So, that's that I guess... ;)JayinPhiladelphiahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14556212008313470286noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6579213173749170024.post-80218566334698452582012-06-22T16:01:48.022-07:002012-06-22T16:01:48.022-07:00Great point, Shirl. Concur.Great point, Shirl. Concur.JayinPhiladelphiahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14556212008313470286noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6579213173749170024.post-38641642678137450532012-06-22T15:44:00.939-07:002012-06-22T15:44:00.939-07:00Jay,
Who cares?
I've learned through my own...Jay,<br /><br />Who cares? <br /><br />I've learned through my own experiences in life, to do and say what is in my heart and what I think is the right thing to do. <br /><br />That won't steer you wrong. Some people don't like the fact I am so honest, open upfront, call it what you will. Tough luck!Shirl in Ozhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08145644692590907775noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6579213173749170024.post-73411039494349927862012-06-22T15:12:26.727-07:002012-06-22T15:12:26.727-07:00Indeed. I once tried to build a website where tol...Indeed. I once tried to build a website where tolerance was the ultimate virtue, and upon doing so was assailed with endless "but not the right, not Republicans, not anyone who disagrees with us; not even those on the Left who we call "purity trolls," because we simply don't want to deal with any of that!" crap.<br /><br />So from here on out I know what I'll be called. Do I ultimately care, though? Nope.JayinPhiladelphiahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14556212008313470286noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6579213173749170024.post-3273945086385825942012-06-22T15:03:47.661-07:002012-06-22T15:03:47.661-07:00Yes, there is nothing much to think about when som...Yes, there is nothing much to think about when someone is calling you a this or that.oldschooltwentysixhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15672887176887940797noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6579213173749170024.post-86545201901331313422012-06-22T14:57:35.613-07:002012-06-22T14:57:35.613-07:00My mind, as always, is open. Would that this were...My mind, as always, is open. Would that this were the case with certain others...JayinPhiladelphiahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14556212008313470286noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6579213173749170024.post-23839988980313328892012-06-22T14:56:39.514-07:002012-06-22T14:56:39.514-07:00Yeah, in there lies the ultimate point, school. I...Yeah, in there lies the ultimate point, school. I don't care what others say about me now, either. But it would at least be nice to see them say something (anything!), once in a while, to perhaps at least get me to think.JayinPhiladelphiahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14556212008313470286noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6579213173749170024.post-36292870101990506882012-06-22T14:33:48.471-07:002012-06-22T14:33:48.471-07:00No offense, but I would not presume that at all.
...No offense, but I would not presume that at all.<br /><br />I tend to think that many are conflicted by competing notions of what should be and this is often manifested in negative means of behavior.<br /><br />This may be more prevalent when people treat aspiration as reality, something I have been guilty of, too.oldschooltwentysixhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15672887176887940797noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6579213173749170024.post-41179482533310512482012-06-22T14:27:36.172-07:002012-06-22T14:27:36.172-07:00Is it a matter of showing how one is wrong, as com...Is it a matter of showing how one is wrong, as compared to giving a different view so readers can best make their own decision?<br /><br />I have no need or desire to prove who I am to people who are prejudiced. I would prefer not to see such ignorance, but a more accepting disposition instead. This may be impossible for activists, who are interested solely in their truth and seek to impose it on others.oldschooltwentysixhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15672887176887940797noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6579213173749170024.post-4485739637126160902012-06-22T14:20:16.401-07:002012-06-22T14:20:16.401-07:00For some, perhaps, but the real problem is that th...For some, perhaps, but the real problem is that there are many who actually agree with us on the issues, but yet are shit afraid to say so (and G-d forbid they should do so here at an unapproved source like Israel Thrives!) for fear of being cast out by the 'enforcers' amongst them.<br /><br />Well, I was cast out. And I have to admit, it was, indeed, quite freeeing to no longer care what pseudo-left 'enforcers' have to say about me. They can have at it. At least now I no longer have to pretend that conservatives are our greatest enemies, while all the while carefully ignoring Jihad Incorporated.JayinPhiladelphiahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14556212008313470286noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6579213173749170024.post-67620170364505392612012-06-22T14:04:43.723-07:002012-06-22T14:04:43.723-07:00They won't even admit that they want the destr...They won't even admit that they want the destruction of Israel and that the two state solution is not even on the agenda.geoffffhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10056725010151459750noreply@blogger.com