tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6579213173749170024.post7353284792909057037..comments2024-01-02T02:18:30.960-08:00Comments on Israel Thrives: The UnmentionablesMike L.http://www.blogger.com/profile/06450806807610560873noreply@blogger.comBlogger12125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6579213173749170024.post-37458976680307402942013-07-07T00:13:29.720-07:002013-07-07T00:13:29.720-07:00Yes Shirl. I knew that.
You should have heard what...Yes Shirl. I knew that.<br />You should have heard what Norm said when the GG swore him in.geoffffhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10056725010151459750noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6579213173749170024.post-1011503144294460562013-07-06T15:01:11.161-07:002013-07-06T15:01:11.161-07:00"ideological boundaries"
I am not exact..."ideological boundaries"<br /><br />I am not exactly certain what you mean by that, but if you mean accepting certain truths as core to the pro-Israel position then I would tend to agree with you.<br /><br />For example, it is unquestionably the case that majorities of the local Arabs only started thinking of themselves as "Palestinian" in the 1960s and did so quite specifically as a tactic to undermine Jewish sovereignty on Jewish land.<br /><br />Another core truth is that Judea and Samaria is Jewish land. Period. We may be so gracious as to allow yet another Arab state on that land, but it is still Jewish land.<br /><br />We should not deny our own birthright.Mike L.https://www.blogger.com/profile/06450806807610560873noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6579213173749170024.post-50135772101214333502013-07-06T13:58:40.319-07:002013-07-06T13:58:40.319-07:00"So you think that Israel should incorporate ..."So you think that Israel should incorporate the Arabs of Judea and Samaria as citizens?"<br /><br />That's a question for later. That can be answered -- by all of the parties involved -- after the boundaries -- the ideological boundaries -- are set.<br /><br />The first thing is to establish the boundaries -- the ideological boundaries -- in accordance with the truth, by telling the truth.Daniel Bielakhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15792786894694523598noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6579213173749170024.post-62070760084631567032013-07-06T13:46:21.120-07:002013-07-06T13:46:21.120-07:00So you think that Israel should incorporate the Ar...So you think that Israel should incorporate the Arabs of Judea and Samaria as citizens?<br /><br />Would that not undermine Israel as a Jewish State?<br /><br />Or would you prefer it to be less democratic?<br /><br />That's the dilemma.Mike L.https://www.blogger.com/profile/06450806807610560873noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6579213173749170024.post-12094887104122101032013-07-06T13:42:49.477-07:002013-07-06T13:42:49.477-07:00The British Mandate of Palestine, which included w...The British Mandate of Palestine, which included what is now Jordan, was originally intended to be the Jewish National Home.<br /><br />Jordan was subsequently created and carved out of the British Mandate of Palestine by British officials and given to the Hashemites, in contravention to the Faisal-Weizmann Agreement of 1919 and in contravention to the (still currently legally binding official international law mandate) San Remo Conference of 1920. Yet Jewish people -- Jewish leaders -- allowed and accepted this. Then the remaining part of the British Mandate of Palestine was carved up, by British officials, into proposed versions of the Jewish State and proposed versions of an additional Arab state -- even though a 'Palestinian' Arab state -- Jordan (which at that time was named Transjordan) -- had already been created. And Jewish people -- Jewish leaders -- allowed and accepted this.<br /><br /><a href="#c5311010266133018829" rel="nofollow">There is already a "Two State Solution": Jordan and Israel.</a><br />Daniel Bielakhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15792786894694523598noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6579213173749170024.post-72658714248544174192013-07-06T09:19:57.690-07:002013-07-06T09:19:57.690-07:00This comment has been removed by the author.Daniel Bielakhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15792786894694523598noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6579213173749170024.post-5417465283994336322013-07-05T16:00:20.397-07:002013-07-05T16:00:20.397-07:00Geoffrey, did you know that Anthony Albanese, (our...Geoffrey, did you know that Anthony Albanese, (our new Deputy PM) is a Founder Member of Parliamentary Friends of Palestine.?Shirl in Ozhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08145644692590907775noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6579213173749170024.post-13562540882220297502013-07-05T07:58:24.997-07:002013-07-05T07:58:24.997-07:00Does Carr's policy ban on illegal "settle...<i><b>Does Carr's policy ban on illegal "settlement activity" include construction projects to provide housing for Arabs within Israel's area of authority over the Green Line? Of course not. We must be clear about this. This is a no-Jew policy. Pure and simple.</b></i><br /><br />I'm glad to see that you are on fire lately because I am decidedly not.<br /><br />But, yes, what drives me bats - particularly about progressive Jewish disdain for the Jews in Judea - is that it is entirely bigoted or "racist" against our own people.<br /><br />I am firmly of the opinion that we need to support the rights of the Jewish people to live anywhere within our traditional homeland. This does not necessarily mean that there can be no two state solution, but what it does mean is that while Israel contains many Arabs, so any future state of "Palestine" must contain many Jews.<br /><br />If this is unacceptable to anyone than they are being racist. If the local Arabs want a <i>Judenrein</i> state then they should get nothing.Mike L.https://www.blogger.com/profile/06450806807610560873noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6579213173749170024.post-3307450576603648132013-07-05T00:01:10.957-07:002013-07-05T00:01:10.957-07:00Considering that I'm a fellow democratic socia...Considering that I'm a fellow democratic socialist, and a Teamster, I would think my international comrades in the Australian Labor Party might like to hear my thoughts, even if I am a Yank.<br /><br />So maybe they can cover my airfare there?<br /><br />;)<br /><br />I'll tour all of Australia, and if nothing else I'd at least be amusing!<br /><br />Heh.<br /><br />But ah, I'd bet folks like Carr don't really care what others think, eh?JayinPhiladelphiahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14556212008313470286noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6579213173749170024.post-84447144331515766052013-07-04T23:29:25.669-07:002013-07-04T23:29:25.669-07:00Thanks for that Jay. I've fixed the link.
Wel...Thanks for that Jay. I've fixed the link.<br /><br />Welcome any time Jay. Just get yourself to Coolangatta airport and I'll pick you up. Plenty of room. Goes for everyone. geoffffhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10056725010151459750noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6579213173749170024.post-85110536748647916842013-07-04T21:17:16.061-07:002013-07-04T21:17:16.061-07:00Thanks for keeping us up on this, geoffff.
(PS: t...Thanks for keeping us up on this, geoffff.<br /><br />(PS: the link in this paragraph appears to be broken? -- "The Australian has published an article by Carr on Israel and "Palestine" which without question would have been cleared by Rudd's office and should be read perhaps more in sorrow than anger.")<br /><br />I'll say this for him, if he doesn't want to -<br /><br /><i>The Arab "right of return" to Israel is the greatest crock in history. You must implore the "Palestinians" to accept Israel, accept Palestine, accept peace and live in security and prosperity in economic union with Israel. And if they do not then they have forfeited all Australian sympathy. Their leaders will forever remain the authors of their own people's misery and to say anything else is to feed a delusion and is anti-"Palestinian".</i><br /><br />Well put.<br /><br />I'm largely free for the next few weeks, and I surely wouldn't mind a vacation to Australia if someone wants to put me up. ;)<br /><br />But I suppose when folks like us say such a thing, it's apparently not to be taken seriously, becausebecausebecausejooooooz or something like that, right?<br /><br />To say such a thing is probably 'right wing' (gasp!), too, I'm sure.<br /><br />So clearly, that is unacceptable. Let's just instead continue to do what we've been doing all along, and hope for different results <i>this</i> time...JayinPhiladelphiahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14556212008313470286noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6579213173749170024.post-87361988039802519162013-07-04T05:15:06.397-07:002013-07-04T05:15:06.397-07:00I've discovered that the real 'palestinian...I've discovered that the real 'palestinian' homeworld was historically and since time immemorial located on the Nullarbor. That's where they belong.Empress Trudyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06073538968722986065noreply@blogger.com