tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6579213173749170024.post7457088262730666198..comments2024-01-02T02:18:30.960-08:00Comments on Israel Thrives: Rosenthal's Ten Propositions (Part Two)Mike L.http://www.blogger.com/profile/06450806807610560873noreply@blogger.comBlogger11125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6579213173749170024.post-70897549762530841762016-06-28T19:57:51.579-07:002016-06-28T19:57:51.579-07:00They might want to make it clear to the EU as well...They might want to make it clear to the EU as well.JeffwithaJhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07073609950380822171noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6579213173749170024.post-35713083170113508502016-06-28T15:42:04.441-07:002016-06-28T15:42:04.441-07:00If Ireland is the land of the Irish, then Israel i...If Ireland is the land of the Irish, then Israel is the land of the Israelis. If Israel is the land of Jews, then Ireland is the land of the Catholics (except Northern Ireland, which is the land of Protestants).josephhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09057606413590949268noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6579213173749170024.post-2791566807485807622016-06-28T15:07:40.934-07:002016-06-28T15:07:40.934-07:00joseph,
Israel is the Jewish state in the same wa...joseph,<br /><br />Israel is the Jewish state in the same way that Ireland is the land of the Irish.<br /><br />I honestly do not care about Judaism as the state religion beyond the fact that it bolsters Israel as the Jewish state.Mike L.https://www.blogger.com/profile/06450806807610560873noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6579213173749170024.post-81929668650304088582016-06-28T13:00:42.021-07:002016-06-28T13:00:42.021-07:00What exactly does "Judaism as the state relig...What exactly does "Judaism as the state religion" mean? What are the real world implications? Is it just chest thumping?josephhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09057606413590949268noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6579213173749170024.post-62998119489858926972016-06-27T20:56:20.661-07:002016-06-27T20:56:20.661-07:00joseph,
You ask some important questions.
"...joseph,<br /><br />You ask some important questions.<br /><br /><b>"You were incensed at the notion of the Rabbinate making non-religious weddings a crime, how can you say that if Judaism is the state religion?"</b><br /><br />It is entirely unclear to me how Judaism as the state religion necessarily entails the criminilization of non-religious weddings.<br /><br /><b>"If Jews and Judaism are in charge, does that mean that Israel cannot have a Muslim prime minister?"</b><br /><br />That is a terrific question and, speaking strictly for myself, I would say that the answer is that Israel can, indeed, have a Muslim PM. There is certainly nothing in Israeli law to prohibit a Muslim PM.<br /><br /><b>"Is the law necessarily based on Jewish scriptures?"</b><br /><br />Israel is a secular state, not a theocracy.<br /><br />As for your last few sentences, I am not exactly certain just where you are coming from. <br /><br />Israel is not a refugee state, but a Jewish state. <br /><br />It is the national homeland of the Jewish people and has been for around 3,500 years.<br /><br />It is unclear to me just why you would deny that.Mike L.https://www.blogger.com/profile/06450806807610560873noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6579213173749170024.post-91841192419453590672016-06-27T10:58:17.935-07:002016-06-27T10:58:17.935-07:00Prefer what you will, but Israel is the Jewish Sta...Prefer what you will, but Israel is the Jewish State. Israeli Jews are not refugees, they are citizens. JeffwithaJhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07073609950380822171noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6579213173749170024.post-25276781821152996472016-06-27T07:54:13.626-07:002016-06-27T07:54:13.626-07:00The Anglican Church in England as the state religi...The Anglican Church in England as the state religion is now pretty meaningless, other than the king or queen has to be a member of that church. But there were significant battles fought in England between Catholics and Anglicans over who which would dominate. And those were real battles, as in people killing each other and not just political battles. I don't want to get to the point of meaninglessness after a civil war in Israel. To say it is a Jewish state and then be unable to say what real world consequences that has makes the concept meaningless. I prefer to say that Israel is a Jewish refugee state, because that has real meaning.josephhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09057606413590949268noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6579213173749170024.post-35463665843415096612016-06-26T16:10:37.861-07:002016-06-26T16:10:37.861-07:00Joseph,
It is the Jewish State, whether secular ...Joseph,<br /> It is the Jewish State, whether secular or religious. <br />Who talked about putting "Judaism" in charge? I don't think that Mike meant to make Israel into a theocracy. But right now as far as I know Orthodox Judaism is in charge of Jewish religious affairs. The official state religion of England is Anglicanism. That doesn't mean the law flows from the Anglican Church. Nor does that mean that a Jew can't become Prime Minister. <br />You are right that Israel has always been a secular state, and I believe it should remain so. I think you are worried about a slippery slope and I can understand that consideration. <br />JeffwithaJhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07073609950380822171noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6579213173749170024.post-13445421775708013342016-06-26T15:33:03.832-07:002016-06-26T15:33:03.832-07:00I don't believe in the death penalty for terro...I don't believe in the death penalty for terrorism. That implies that terrorism is a criminal offense handled by civilian courts. It's not, it's war. As such it should be prosecuted either as a war crime OR according to Koranic rules of war, which are; accept no surrender and take no prisoners. So they have a choice; they can be tried for war crimes and sentenced according to that court, or they can killed on the spot. Empress Trudyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06073538968722986065noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6579213173749170024.post-68556218777943052542016-06-26T14:19:56.890-07:002016-06-26T14:19:56.890-07:00Rules one and six are pretty much the same, absurd...Rules one and six are pretty much the same, absurd. Exactly which Judaism and which Jews are in charge of Israel? Orthodox, conservative, reform, humanist or something else? You were incensed at the notion of the Rabbinate making non-religious weddings a crime, how can you say that if Judaism is the state religion? If Jews and Judaism are in charge, does that mean that Israel cannot have a Muslim prime minister? Is the law necessarily based on Jewish scriptures? Whose interpretation? The entire notion is absurd. Israel is, and always has been, a secular state. It is not a Jewish state, it is a Jewish refugee state. It should be a sanctuary for any person who identifies as a Jew and not anything else, thus primarily excluding messianic Jews, but including conversos who identify as Jews but not as Christians. My definition of Jews is acceptable for purposes of refugee status, but no definition would be acceptable for purposes of defining Israel as a Jewish state.josephhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09057606413590949268noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6579213173749170024.post-79259251055717196202016-06-26T11:39:44.523-07:002016-06-26T11:39:44.523-07:00The following are my perhaps ill-considered but im...The following are my perhaps ill-considered but immediate reactions.<br /><br />6. I'm not sure about the official religion, but I don't oppose it. You could very well be right. I do however think your last point on this is dead on balls accurate, i.e., that Israel is the Jewish Homeland, and that it is a fact which is not ever to be fucked with. <br />7. I couldn't agree more, and this right to defense must be always be defended without any apologies. <br />8. Arabs put this into practice every day and are supported by their western hypocrite hand-maidens. Only Jews are expected to turn the other cheek. War is war. Don't let them complain to westerners about humiliation while they dance in the streets. Humiliate them. <br />9. "This is an exceedingly strange statement." Addressing it is necessitated by the Pals' exceedingly strange supporters.<br />10. I agree. This is a war. The Arabs have successfully sowed confusion between war and individual criminality. I don't think Israel is compelled to uphold a distinction the Arabs have completely subverted. If they are at war with us, the rules of war apply.<br />If someone is attacking your country you blow their heads off. That is the ultimate deterrent to aggression. <br />JeffwithaJhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07073609950380822171noreply@blogger.com