"A Minority Report from the West Bank and Gaza (Deleted)
I had published the transcript of a talk and follow-up interview with a prominent and respectable Palestinian, and it caused a bit of trouble that neither he nor I anticpated or wanted. The transcript has been removed at his request."
Jewish people -- particularly so-called "Jewish leaders" and particularly the leaders of the government of Israel -- are not protecting nor supporting nor joining with the potentially most beneficial allies of Israel and the Jewish people -- Arab people (Muslim (non-orthodox (non-Shariah-proponent) Muslim), ex-Muslim, and non-Muslim) who support Israel. And, moreover, the leaders of the government of Israel are not protecting the Jewish people in the Israel.
A comment from a commenter from Israel:
Adina Kutnicki (www.adinakutnicki.com):
"...In effect, our leaders will be the death of us. We won't have to wait for the jackals at our throats!" (http://frontpagemag.com/2012/davidhornik/u-n-says-aye-to-palestinian-terror-state/#IDComment505383032)
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Note: * In the talk, Khaled Abu Toameh talked about the nature of Fatah-PLO-PalestinianAuthority and Hamas and talked about the bigoted opportunistic anti-Israeli anti-Jewish propaganda campaign by Western journalists who cover the Muslim and Arab war against Israel; and he talked a little bit about Barack Obama. Khaled Abu Toameh recounted about how when he once met with Barack Obama and told him of Fatah-PLO's and Hamas' "incitement" against Israel (the racist hate intendedly genocidal anti-Jewish propaganda propagated by Fatah-PLO and Hamas on Fatah-PLO ("Palestinian Authority") TV and on Hamas TV, etc.), Barack Obama said "Is that really true [that Fatah-PLO and Hamas propagate racist intendedly genocidal incitement against the Jewish people and Israel]?". What else could one expect from someone -- Barack Obama -- who had Rashid Khaldi as a foreign policy advisor (and who, as a young man, was mentored by, and who sought out mentorship from, Communists, and who was a member of a Communist political organization, and who, as a child, was raised as a Muslim in a Muslim state, and who, subsequently, as a teenager, was raised by Communists, and who, in 2009, in opposition to the wishes of then-President of Egypt Hosni Mubarak, insisted on inviting the Muslim Brotherhood to his "Cairo Speech" in 2009 and had the attending representatives of the Muslim Brotherhood sit in the first row in the audience, and who in his "Cairo Speech" in 2009 told falsehoods about, and therein glorified, Islam, and who in his "Cairo Speech" in 2009, slandered Israel, and who refused to support the millions of Iranian dissidents against the Iranian Islamic-supremacist-regime after the fraudulent election in Iran in 2009, and in whose autobiography, Audacity of Hope, is written "I will stand with my Muslim brothers if the political winds shift in an ugly direction." and whose political career was launched by one of his Communist mentors who is an unrepentant convicted terrorist (and who is now a millionaire and a "professor"))?
Khaled Abu Toameh (from the talk in Ottawa on March 3 2010):
"...So maybe I just start by telling you a little bit about myself and my background and who I am, for those of you who don't know me. The name, as you heard is Khaled Abu Toameh, and I'm an Arab Muslim living in Jerusalem. I also happen to be an Israeli citizen. We're called Israeli Arabs over there, because my father belongs to the Arab community inside Israel. I'm also a Palestinian [a 'Palestinian' Arab] because my mother's a Palestinian [a 'Palestinian' Arab] from the West Bank. So if you're...[confused] [you can]...call me an Israeli Arab Muslim 'Palestinian'. [*said jokingly*; *audience laughs*]. ..."
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"...and what's been happening in the Palestinian areas [the 'Palestinian' Arab areas -- the areas controlled by Fatah-PLO and Hamas ('The West Bank' (Judea and Sameria) and 'The Gaza Strip')] since [the 2006 elections between Fatah-PLO and Hamas] is also interesting. You have a power struggle raging between the guys who won the election [Hamas] and the guys who lost the election [Fatah-PLO]. Arafat's people saying: 'Hey, Hamas [indiscernible]', and Hamas saying: 'No, wait, I'm not sitting down [for negotiation talks with Fatah-PLO]. I won in a free and democratic election, and if you don't believe me ask Jimmy Carter -- he supervised the election.' This power struggle has so far claimed the lives of nearly two thousand Palestinians ['Palestinian' Arabs] and thousands of others have been injured. Of course this is a [indiscernible] we rarely read about in the Globe and Mail and the New York Times and the mainstream media. Why? Because it doesn't have an anti-Israel angle to it."
"When I tried, in '95 and '96 and '97 to alert many of my foreign colleagues to the fact that Arafat was stealing the money, back then, in the financial corruption, and that the ['Palestinian' Arabs] are complaining about this, many of my American, Canadian, European, colleagues, asked me back then if I were on the payroll of 'The Jewish Lobby'. They asked me: 'Did Jews pay you money to say that Arafat is corrupt and bad?'. I told them: 'No, Sir. Jews did not pay me money. Where's this 'Jewish Lobby' you guys are talking about? Maybe I'll just go work for them. It might pay me more than the newspapers.' The foreign media refused to believe what even the Palestinians [the 'Palestinian' Arabs] themselves were saying, that Arafat is corrupt. Some of these foreign journalists told me: 'You know, maybe these stories about financial corruption are true. But, you know, our editors back home don't want to hear this story. They want 'Anti-Occupation' stories.' They say: 'Give us anti-Israel stories -- that makes our lives much easier. And we might even receive an award from the United Nations if we write anti-Israel stories.' Other journalists told me back then: 'Listen, maybe these stories are true about financial corruption, but don't forget we need to go back to Ramallah and Gaza. Arafat would kill us. We can't write anything that reflects negatively on...[the Palestinians [the 'Palestinian' Arabs [the organizations of the 'Palestinian movement' -- Fatah-PLO and Hamas]]].' I told them: "What do you mean you're afraid?! You guys have American, Canadian, European, passports, and you have governments that will protect you! And if you are *really* afraid, what are you doing in this part of the world -- covering [*undiscernable speech*] conflict? Go back to your newspaper, and write about the weather or the environment, or do something else. But you should not allow yourself to come and cover a conflict if you are going to be...if you're going to allow *either* party to intimidate you, because you will be betraying you mission. And, by the way, if anyone really has good reason to be afraid, it's me -- the local Arab guy who lives over here and says these things openly in Arabic, in Hebrew, in English, in French, and still goes back to Ramallah! So I'm the guy who's putting my life at risk, and not you guys! What are you guys talking about?!' They said: 'You know what? Maybe you are...you don't care about your life. But we care [about our lives]. So, we do not want to report about these things. We allow Yasser Arafat to get away with the financial corruption' -- [which is] bringing us Hamas. [That is: The financial corruption of Yasser Arafat and Fatah-PLO is causing 'Palestinian' Arabs to support Hamas.] Now, I blame the Oslo Accords also for all this, because -- Oslo, the idea of Oslo was good. A separation between Jews and Palestinians ['Palestinian' Arabs]. The 'Two State Solution' is good. Although I think it's not practical. It's not going to work. But, you know, we all have to say we support 'The Two State Solution', I think because President Obama wants us to say so. So we say so. So, I believe in -- I told you, I thought that the idea of Oslo was good back then. My problem is the way Oslo was implemented. Because Oslo was based on the assumption that Yasser Arafat is a reliable and credible partner and that he will deliver. Arafat did not care about the Palestinians [the 'Palestinian' Arabs]..."
As I've said, Western anti-Jewish bigotry is hugely underestimated by Jewish people. And, as I've said, the potential best friends of the Jewish people are decent intelligent authentically liberal-minded Arab people (and non-Arab ex-Muslims who support Israel, and the, I think, few non-Arab Muslims (non-Arab non-orthodox (non-Shariah-proponent) Muslims) who support Israel).
Ashkenazi Jewish people [non-Israeli and Israeli] (who are the most politically influential Jewish people) still want to please who they still view as being 'their Lords' (ethnically and culturally European non-Jewish people). Ashkenazi Jewish people need to wake up and realize that the people with whom they most have an inherent mutually involving and potentially mutually beneficial relationship are decent intelligent authentically liberal-minded Arab people (and decent intelligent authentically liberal-minded Iranian people).
Tell the truth to the West. And join with decent intelligent authentically liberal-minded Arab people (and decent intelligent authentically liberal-minded Iranian people).
You should see what's going on at her disgusting hate site lately. It's astounding that someone who continually says the things that she says, really seems to be taken aback when sensible people state the obvious fact that she is a hardcore antisemite.
I was allegedly mean to Diane and now she despises Israel.
;O)
The real problem, of course, is the shear eagerness to indict the Jewish state of Israel and, thus, in a certain kind of way, the Jewish people, in general. It's as if people like this have no awareness of the previous history of anti-Jewish defamation and where it tends to lead.
It's remarkable, really, and to have it coming from people who claim to be anti-racist and in favor of universal human rights is just... I don't know... cruelly ironic?... deeply toxic and twisted?... just plain f**ked up?
But the truth is that the anti-Semitic anti-Zionist left honestly believes that the Jews of Israel are something akin to evil. Given the hatred that is spouted toward them on a daily basis what other conclusion can we draw?
They honestly believe the very worst that the Palestinians say about the Jews and they are actively working to get as many people as possible to believe just as they believe.
So how different, really, is it from the dynamic of 1920s Germany? Or how different is it from all the anti-Jewish yammering that preceded every pogrom in history? How different is it, I wonder, from the poison spit at the Jews over the centuries before Muslims would riot in this Jewish quarter or that?
Generation upon generation.
Century upon century.
But it is at this moment that we get the excruciating joy of knowing that it comes from people who consider themselves progressive-left humanists.
Bah. Found my dream home yesterday, around Lehigh & 13th, but I'd say I'm a year shy of being in a position to buy something. Argh. Oh well, it's good to keep looking though. Tioga & Frankford is another ideal spot, and is somewhere I saw another great rowhouse the other day. Kensington & Somerset, too. I'll find something around this time next year!
Anyway.
"It's remarkable, really, and to have it coming from people who claim to be anti-racist and in favor of universal human rights is just... I don't know... cruelly ironic?... deeply toxic and twisted?... just plain f**ked up?"
All of the above. The real question now is how do we make it so that these types are no longer welcome in respectable company?
"The real question now is how do we make it so that these types are no longer welcome in respectable company?"
How? By telling the true factual history (and current reality) of the situation [1] [2] [3]! Doing that will dispel the lie that Israel is the aggressor and will dispel the lie that Israel is being supported by the U.S. government. Doing that will dispel any propensity to believe that the lies propagated by virulent anti-Jewish racists who call themselves "liberal" have any grounding in truth.
"Daniel, the true factual history is well known. Those who profess ignorance are lying."
It's well known by those who are the most influential -- and who are relatively few -- and who are propagating intendedly genocidal lies against Israel (the members of the Western mass-media, and the members of Western governments, and Western academics, and Western "political activists", and by Western religious Christian clerics). It's not well-know by most other people. Most other people truly are ignorant. And they're being fed intendedly genocidal lies against Israel by the members of the Western mass-media, and by the members of Western governments, and by Western academics, and by Western "political activists", and by Western religious Christian clerics. Those lies are all they know about Israel and the situation that Israel is in. Jewish people need to wake up and realize that they, like all other people, have control over what happens. What Jewish people do matters -- just as what other people do matters. Jewish people need to realize that they can stop the belief in the lies and can stop the war against Israel and the Jewish people! By telling the truth! By telling the essential facts of the history and current reality of the situation! Vigorously! Repeatedly! Clearly!
Do exactly what the genocidal anti-Jewish racists do -- but instead of telling lies, rather, tell the truth! Counter the lies with truth! It's as simple as that! Jewish people have the power to change their own situation -- just like all other people have the power to change their own situation! Jewish people are not slaves! Jewish people are only still slaves mentally! But they can change that! It's up to them!
For example, most importantly, the Prime Minister of Israel could hold Press conferences, and make speeches in the United Nations, and make speeches in the U.S. congress, in which he simply stated the following facts:
- The organizations of the ‘Palestinian movement’: (Fatah-PLO (which is now called ‘The Palestinian Authority’)) A racist terrorist ideologically genocidal anti-Jewish organization founded in 1958 (Fatah) / 1964 (PLO) and which was originated by the founder of the ‘Palestinian movement’ (Haj Amin al-Husseini), and which was led, for over thirty years, by the prodigy of the founder of the ‘Palestinian movement’ (Yasser Arafat), and which is currently being led by the developer of a "Trojan Horse" strategy called ‘The Plan of Phases’ to destroy the nation of the Jewish people (Mahmoud Abbas), and whose officially stated goal [1] [2] is the annihilation of the nation of the Jewish people; (Hamas) A racist terrorist ideologically genocidal anti-Jewish organization that is an official arm of the Muslim Brotherhood and whose officially stated goal [3] is the murder of all of the Jewish people in the world - The founder of the ‘Palestinian movement’: (Haj Amin al-Husseini) An ideologically genocidal anti-Jewish racist who was an early leader of the Muslim Brotherhood, and who was an adjoined official of the Nazi regime of Germany, and who planned and participated in the mass murder of almost all of the Jewish people in Europe by the Nazi regime of Germany, and who, as the head of the Arab Higher Committee, was the co-ordinator of the 1948 Muslim Arab attack on Israel by the armies of several Arab states - The ‘Palestinian movement’: A racist ideologically genocidal anti-Jewish political movement founded in the early 1920's with the sole purpose of preventing the re-founding of the Jewish nation - Refugees caused by the conflict between the Muslim Arab states in the Middle East and Israel: Approximately 400,000 to 700,000 Arab refugees from Israel; Approximately 800,000 to 1,000,000 Jewish refugees from Muslim states in the Middle East - The still living members of, and the descendants of, the Jewish refugees from Muslim states in the Middle East who found refuge in Israel: Approximately fifty percent of the Jewish population of Israel (they call themselves Mizrahi (which means "Eastern") in Hebrew) - Non-Arab and non-Jewish refugees from other countries since 1945: Tens of millions -- most of whom have been relocated to, and absorbed into, the countries to which they fled or were expelled (such as several million ethnically German people who lived in the Sudetenland of Czechoslovakia (Sudeten Germans) who immediately after World War II were expelled from the Sudetenland of Czechoslovakia and who subsequently were relocated to, and absorbed into, Germany)
- Number of Arab national states in the world: Over twenty - Number of Muslim states in the world: Over fifty - Number of officially Christian states in the world: Several - National states in the world: Numerous - Number of Jewish national states in the world: One - Size of the land area of the Jewish national state: Approximately two percent of the total land area of the Middle East - Population of the Jewish national state: Approximately 7.5 million - Arab non-Jewish citizenry of the Jewish national state: Approximately 1.5 million - Muslim Arab, Christian Arab, Druze Arab - The land of Israel (and the land of "The West Bank" (Judea and Sameria), and the land of "The Gaza Strip"): Approximately one third of the British Mandate of Palestine - The land of Israel for centuries until the early twentieth century: A mostly barren, and diseased, wasteland - The Arab people in the land of Israel until the mid-twentieth century: Few, and largely sick - The Jewish people who immigrated to the land of Israel in the early 20th century: Revived and re-established the soil in the land of Israel, drained the swamps in the land of Israel, irrigated the land of Israel, developed huge agricultural industry in the land of Israel, installed electrical power in the land of Israel, built the infrastructure of the nation of Israel - The Arab people in the land of Israel after the development of the land of Israel by the Jewish people who immigrated to the land of Israel in the early 20th century: Many more than there had been before the development of the land of Israel by the early twentieth century Jewish immigrants to the land of Israel - The land of Jordan: Approximately two thirds of the British Mandate of Palestine - "The West Bank" (Judea (Yehouda) and Sameria (Shomron)): Occupied by Jordan from 1949 to 1967; renamed to the name "The West Bank" by Jordan, referring to it (Judea (Yehouda) and Sameria (Shomron)) as "the west bank" of the Jordan river - "The Gaza Strip": Occupied by Egypt from 1949 to 1967 - The PLO (the Palestinian Liberation Organization): Founded in 1964; its 1964 charter (and its 1968 revised, current, charter) calls for the destruction of what it calls "the Zionist" "occupation of 'Palestine'" - Fatah: Founded in 1958; Founded by veterans of the organization (the Arab Higher Committee) of a co-architect (Haj Amin al-Husseini) of the Nazi 'Final Solution'
Game over! Western and Muslim racist intendedly genocidal anti-Jewish game over!
"It is the greatest triumph of anti-Semitism [anti-Jewish bigotry] that it has brought the Jews to view themselves with anti-Semitic [bigoted anti-Jewish] eyes."
BTW: I, of course, know that the anti-Jewish bigotry of many of the people whose anti-Jewish bigotry I've referred to is not consciously "intentionally" intendedly genocidal, and is just "normal" Western anti-Jewish bigotry, and, in many cases, is, as part of that, "willful ignorance". But it's anti-Jewish bigotry nonetheless, and it, in effect, even if not in conscious "intentional" intention, is genocidal.
I don't have the wherewithal to clearly and fully express everything that I understand about the situation, so sometimes I use shortcuts/shorthand in my trying to communicate what I understand about the situation. And I realize that the shortcuts/shorthand in language that I sometimes have used may have seemed "extreme" and "exaggerated". But that's just because I'm frustrated and vexed about the situation, and because, as part of that, I'm frustrated and vexed that so many Jewish people don't understand the situation, and because, as part of that, Jewish people haven't listened to, or understood, what I have been trying to communicate about the situation, and because I haven't had the wherewithal to more clearly communicate my understanding of the situation. However, what I have written about the situation is not an exaggeration. What I have written about the situation is true. The situation is serious. The situation is perilous. But the situation can be made better. The situation can be made better by doing what I have expressed needs to be done to make the situation better.
A talk by Muslim Arab Israeli journalist Khaled Abu Toameh which has since been taken down:
ReplyDeleteKhaled Abu Toameh in Ottawa March 3 2010 *
http://vimeo.com/9922016
Transcript of another interview of Khaled Abu Toameh which has since been taken down:
http://www.michaeltotten.com/archives/2009/02/a-minority-repo.php
"A Minority Report from the West Bank and Gaza (Deleted)
I had published the transcript of a talk and follow-up interview with a prominent and respectable Palestinian, and it caused a bit of trouble that neither he nor I anticpated or wanted. The transcript has been removed at his request."
Articles by Khaled Abu Toameh:
http://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/author/Khaled+Abu+Toameh
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Jewish people -- particularly so-called "Jewish leaders" and particularly the leaders of the government of Israel -- are not protecting nor supporting nor joining with the potentially most beneficial allies of Israel and the Jewish people -- Arab people (Muslim (non-orthodox (non-Shariah-proponent) Muslim), ex-Muslim, and non-Muslim) who support Israel. And, moreover, the leaders of the government of Israel are not protecting the Jewish people in the Israel.
A comment from a commenter from Israel:
Adina Kutnicki (www.adinakutnicki.com):
"...In effect, our leaders will be the death of us. We won't have to wait for the jackals at our throats!" (http://frontpagemag.com/2012/davidhornik/u-n-says-aye-to-palestinian-terror-state/#IDComment505383032)
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Note: * In the talk, Khaled Abu Toameh talked about the nature of Fatah-PLO-PalestinianAuthority and Hamas and talked about the bigoted opportunistic anti-Israeli anti-Jewish propaganda campaign by Western journalists who cover the Muslim and Arab war against Israel; and he talked a little bit about Barack Obama. Khaled Abu Toameh recounted about how when he once met with Barack Obama and told him of Fatah-PLO's and Hamas' "incitement" against Israel (the racist hate intendedly genocidal anti-Jewish propaganda propagated by Fatah-PLO and Hamas on Fatah-PLO ("Palestinian Authority") TV and on Hamas TV, etc.), Barack Obama said "Is that really true [that Fatah-PLO and Hamas propagate racist intendedly genocidal incitement against the Jewish people and Israel]?". What else could one expect from someone -- Barack Obama -- who had Rashid Khaldi as a foreign policy advisor (and who, as a young man, was mentored by, and who sought out mentorship from, Communists, and who was a member of a Communist political organization, and who, as a child, was raised as a Muslim in a Muslim state, and who, subsequently, as a teenager, was raised by Communists, and who, in 2009, in opposition to the wishes of then-President of Egypt Hosni Mubarak, insisted on inviting the Muslim Brotherhood to his "Cairo Speech" in 2009 and had the attending representatives of the Muslim Brotherhood sit in the first row in the audience, and who in his "Cairo Speech" in 2009 told falsehoods about, and therein glorified, Islam, and who in his "Cairo Speech" in 2009, slandered Israel, and who refused to support the millions of Iranian dissidents against the Iranian Islamic-supremacist-regime after the fraudulent election in Iran in 2009, and in whose autobiography, Audacity of Hope, is written "I will stand with my Muslim brothers if the political winds shift in an ugly direction." and whose political career was launched by one of his Communist mentors who is an unrepentant convicted terrorist (and who is now a millionaire and a "professor"))?
Khaled Abu Toameh (from the talk in Ottawa on March 3 2010):
ReplyDelete"...So maybe I just start by telling you a little bit about myself and my background and who I am, for those of you who don't know me. The name, as you heard is Khaled Abu Toameh, and I'm an Arab Muslim living in Jerusalem. I also happen to be an Israeli citizen. We're called Israeli Arabs over there, because my father belongs to the Arab community inside Israel. I'm also a Palestinian [a 'Palestinian' Arab] because my mother's a Palestinian [a 'Palestinian' Arab] from the West Bank. So if you're...[confused] [you can]...call me an Israeli Arab Muslim 'Palestinian'. [*said jokingly*; *audience laughs*]. ..."
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"...and what's been happening in the Palestinian areas [the 'Palestinian' Arab areas -- the areas controlled by Fatah-PLO and Hamas ('The West Bank' (Judea and Sameria) and 'The Gaza Strip')] since [the 2006 elections between Fatah-PLO and Hamas] is also interesting. You have a power struggle raging between the guys who won the election [Hamas] and the guys who lost the election [Fatah-PLO]. Arafat's people saying: 'Hey, Hamas [indiscernible]', and Hamas saying: 'No, wait, I'm not sitting down [for negotiation talks with Fatah-PLO]. I won in a free and democratic election, and if you don't believe me ask Jimmy Carter -- he supervised the election.' This power struggle has so far claimed the lives of nearly two thousand Palestinians ['Palestinian' Arabs] and thousands of others have been injured. Of course this is a [indiscernible] we rarely read about in the Globe and Mail and the New York Times and the mainstream media. Why? Because it doesn't have an anti-Israel angle to it."
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(from continued)
Delete"When I tried, in '95 and '96 and '97 to alert many of my foreign colleagues to the fact that Arafat was stealing the money, back then, in the financial corruption, and that the ['Palestinian' Arabs] are complaining about this, many of my American, Canadian, European, colleagues, asked me back then if I were on the payroll of 'The Jewish Lobby'. They asked me: 'Did Jews pay you money to say that Arafat is corrupt and bad?'. I told them: 'No, Sir. Jews did not pay me money. Where's this 'Jewish Lobby' you guys are talking about? Maybe I'll just go work for them. It might pay me more than the newspapers.' The foreign media refused to believe what even the Palestinians [the 'Palestinian' Arabs] themselves were saying, that Arafat is corrupt. Some of these foreign journalists told me: 'You know, maybe these stories about financial corruption are true. But, you know, our editors back home don't want to hear this story. They want 'Anti-Occupation' stories.' They say: 'Give us anti-Israel stories -- that makes our lives much easier. And we might even receive an award from the United Nations if we write anti-Israel stories.' Other journalists told me back then: 'Listen, maybe these stories are true about financial corruption, but don't forget we need to go back to Ramallah and Gaza. Arafat would kill us. We can't write anything that reflects negatively on...[the Palestinians [the 'Palestinian' Arabs [the organizations of the 'Palestinian movement' -- Fatah-PLO and Hamas]]].' I told them: "What do you mean you're afraid?! You guys have American, Canadian, European, passports, and you have governments that will protect you! And if you are *really* afraid, what are you doing in this part of the world -- covering [*undiscernable speech*] conflict? Go back to your newspaper, and write about the weather or the environment, or do something else. But you should not allow yourself to come and cover a conflict if you are going to be...if you're going to allow *either* party to intimidate you, because you will be betraying you mission. And, by the way, if anyone really has good reason to be afraid, it's me -- the local Arab guy who lives over here and says these things openly in Arabic, in Hebrew, in English, in French, and still goes back to Ramallah! So I'm the guy who's putting my life at risk, and not you guys! What are you guys talking about?!' They said: 'You know what? Maybe you are...you don't care about your life. But we care [about our lives]. So, we do not want to report about these things. We allow Yasser Arafat to get away with the financial corruption' -- [which is] bringing us Hamas. [That is: The financial corruption of Yasser Arafat and Fatah-PLO is causing 'Palestinian' Arabs to support Hamas.] Now, I blame the Oslo Accords also for all this, because -- Oslo, the idea of Oslo was good. A separation between Jews and Palestinians ['Palestinian' Arabs]. The 'Two State Solution' is good. Although I think it's not practical. It's not going to work. But, you know, we all have to say we support 'The Two State Solution', I think because President Obama wants us to say so. So we say so. So, I believe in -- I told you, I thought that the idea of Oslo was good back then. My problem is the way Oslo was implemented. Because Oslo was based on the assumption that Yasser Arafat is a reliable and credible partner and that he will deliver. Arafat did not care about the Palestinians [the 'Palestinian' Arabs]..."
As I've said, Western anti-Jewish bigotry is hugely underestimated by Jewish people. And, as I've said, the potential best friends of the Jewish people are decent intelligent authentically liberal-minded Arab people (and non-Arab ex-Muslims who support Israel, and the, I think, few non-Arab Muslims (non-Arab non-orthodox (non-Shariah-proponent) Muslims) who support Israel).
DeleteAshkenazi Jewish people [non-Israeli and Israeli] (who are the most politically influential Jewish people) still want to please who they still view as being 'their Lords' (ethnically and culturally European non-Jewish people). Ashkenazi Jewish people need to wake up and realize that the people with whom they most have an inherent mutually involving and potentially mutually beneficial relationship are decent intelligent authentically liberal-minded Arab people (and decent intelligent authentically liberal-minded Iranian people).
Tell the truth to the West. And join with decent intelligent authentically liberal-minded Arab people (and decent intelligent authentically liberal-minded Iranian people).
Good point Mike..
ReplyDeleteWho doesn't enjoy a good game of lawfare?
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YES!
ReplyDeleteI like the way you think, sir.
Israel hating, shove nukes up Israel's ass, Diane Gee lovingly reports that Israel has BROKEN THE TRUCE...except it hasn't. What a maroon.
ReplyDeletehttp://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/12/01/1166489/-Israel-Breaches-Ceasefire
Is there anyone more despicable than someone who just can't wait to indict Israel? Oh, maybe Joan Mar who runs interference for Gee.
You should see what's going on at her disgusting hate site lately. It's astounding that someone who continually says the things that she says, really seems to be taken aback when sensible people state the obvious fact that she is a hardcore antisemite.
DeleteShe really is a freaking piece of work, Jay. So much hate in her veins.
DeleteAt least she's upfront about it, though. It would be nice if more of them were.
DeleteIt's all my fault, you realize.
DeleteI was allegedly mean to Diane and now she despises Israel.
;O)
The real problem, of course, is the shear eagerness to indict the Jewish state of Israel and, thus, in a certain kind of way, the Jewish people, in general. It's as if people like this have no awareness of the previous history of anti-Jewish defamation and where it tends to lead.
It's remarkable, really, and to have it coming from people who claim to be anti-racist and in favor of universal human rights is just... I don't know... cruelly ironic?... deeply toxic and twisted?... just plain f**ked up?
But the truth is that the anti-Semitic anti-Zionist left honestly believes that the Jews of Israel are something akin to evil. Given the hatred that is spouted toward them on a daily basis what other conclusion can we draw?
They honestly believe the very worst that the Palestinians say about the Jews and they are actively working to get as many people as possible to believe just as they believe.
So how different, really, is it from the dynamic of 1920s Germany? Or how different is it from all the anti-Jewish yammering that preceded every pogrom in history? How different is it, I wonder, from the poison spit at the Jews over the centuries before Muslims would riot in this Jewish quarter or that?
Generation upon generation.
Century upon century.
But it is at this moment that we get the excruciating joy of knowing that it comes from people who consider themselves progressive-left humanists.
The very movement that most of us come from.
{How's that for a kick in the head?}
Bah. Found my dream home yesterday, around Lehigh & 13th, but I'd say I'm a year shy of being in a position to buy something. Argh. Oh well, it's good to keep looking though. Tioga & Frankford is another ideal spot, and is somewhere I saw another great rowhouse the other day. Kensington & Somerset, too. I'll find something around this time next year!
DeleteAnyway.
"It's remarkable, really, and to have it coming from people who claim to be anti-racist and in favor of universal human rights is just... I don't know... cruelly ironic?... deeply toxic and twisted?... just plain f**ked up?"
All of the above. The real question now is how do we make it so that these types are no longer welcome in respectable company?
I'm trying from here on the left, myself...
Yup, and the reason for that, Doodad, is because they honestly believe that the Palestinians are the underdogs.
DeleteIs it the Arab-Israel conflict or is it the Israel-Palestine conflict?
That question makes all the difference in the world.
The truth is that it is the former and if we adopt the latter way of thinking about it then we automatically fight on enemy turf.
"The real question now is how do we make it so that these types are no longer welcome in respectable company?"
DeleteHow? By telling the true factual history (and current reality) of the situation [1] [2] [3]! Doing that will dispel the lie that Israel is the aggressor and will dispel the lie that Israel is being supported by the U.S. government. Doing that will dispel any propensity to believe that the lies propagated by virulent anti-Jewish racists who call themselves "liberal" have any grounding in truth.
Daniel,"the true factual history" is well known. Those who profess ignorance are lying.
DeleteWe're beyond the point of discussion, factual or otherwise. We're at The Shouting Stage.
"Daniel, the true factual history is well known. Those who profess ignorance are lying."
DeleteIt's well known by those who are the most influential -- and who are relatively few -- and who are propagating intendedly genocidal lies against Israel (the members of the Western mass-media, and the members of Western governments, and Western academics, and Western "political activists", and by Western religious Christian clerics). It's not well-know by most other people. Most other people truly are ignorant. And they're being fed intendedly genocidal lies against Israel by the members of the Western mass-media, and by the members of Western governments, and by Western academics, and by Western "political activists", and by Western religious Christian clerics. Those lies are all they know about Israel and the situation that Israel is in. Jewish people need to wake up and realize that they, like all other people, have control over what happens. What Jewish people do matters -- just as what other people do matters. Jewish people need to realize that they can stop the belief in the lies and can stop the war against Israel and the Jewish people! By telling the truth! By telling the essential facts of the history and current reality of the situation! Vigorously! Repeatedly! Clearly!
Do exactly what the genocidal anti-Jewish racists do -- but instead of telling lies, rather, tell the truth! Counter the lies with truth! It's as simple as that! Jewish people have the power to change their own situation -- just like all other people have the power to change their own situation! Jewish people are not slaves! Jewish people are only still slaves mentally! But they can change that! It's up to them!
For example, most importantly, the Prime Minister of Israel could hold Press conferences, and make speeches in the United Nations, and make speeches in the U.S. congress, in which he simply stated the following facts:
Delete- The organizations of the ‘Palestinian movement’: (Fatah-PLO (which is now called ‘The Palestinian Authority’)) A racist terrorist ideologically genocidal anti-Jewish organization founded in 1958 (Fatah) / 1964 (PLO) and which was originated by the founder of the ‘Palestinian movement’ (Haj Amin al-Husseini), and which was led, for over thirty years, by the prodigy of the founder of the ‘Palestinian movement’ (Yasser Arafat), and which is currently being led by the developer of a "Trojan Horse" strategy called ‘The Plan of Phases’ to destroy the nation of the Jewish people (Mahmoud Abbas), and whose officially stated goal [1] [2] is the annihilation of the nation of the Jewish people; (Hamas) A racist terrorist ideologically genocidal anti-Jewish organization that is an official arm of the Muslim Brotherhood and whose officially stated goal [3] is the murder of all of the Jewish people in the world
- The founder of the ‘Palestinian movement’: (Haj Amin al-Husseini) An ideologically genocidal anti-Jewish racist who was an early leader of the Muslim Brotherhood, and who was an adjoined official of the Nazi regime of Germany, and who planned and participated in the mass murder of almost all of the Jewish people in Europe by the Nazi regime of Germany, and who, as the head of the Arab Higher Committee, was the co-ordinator of the 1948 Muslim Arab attack on Israel by the armies of several Arab states
- The ‘Palestinian movement’: A racist ideologically genocidal anti-Jewish political movement founded in the early 1920's with the sole purpose of preventing the re-founding of the Jewish nation
- Refugees caused by the conflict between the Muslim Arab states in the Middle East and Israel: Approximately 400,000 to 700,000 Arab refugees from Israel; Approximately 800,000 to 1,000,000 Jewish refugees from Muslim states in the Middle East
- The still living members of, and the descendants of, the Jewish refugees from Muslim states in the Middle East who found refuge in Israel: Approximately fifty percent of the Jewish population of Israel (they call themselves Mizrahi (which means "Eastern") in Hebrew)
- Non-Arab and non-Jewish refugees from other countries since 1945: Tens of millions -- most of whom have been relocated to, and absorbed into, the countries to which they fled or were expelled (such as several million ethnically German people who lived in the Sudetenland of Czechoslovakia (Sudeten Germans) who immediately after World War II were expelled from the Sudetenland of Czechoslovakia and who subsequently were relocated to, and absorbed into, Germany)
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Delete- Number of Arab national states in the world: Over twenty
- Number of Muslim states in the world: Over fifty
- Number of officially Christian states in the world: Several
- National states in the world: Numerous
- Number of Jewish national states in the world: One
- Size of the land area of the Jewish national state: Approximately two percent of the total land area of the Middle East
- Population of the Jewish national state: Approximately 7.5 million
- Arab non-Jewish citizenry of the Jewish national state: Approximately 1.5 million - Muslim Arab, Christian Arab, Druze Arab
- The land of Israel (and the land of "The West Bank" (Judea and Sameria), and the land of "The Gaza Strip"): Approximately one third of the British Mandate of Palestine
- The land of Israel for centuries until the early twentieth century: A mostly barren, and diseased, wasteland
- The Arab people in the land of Israel until the mid-twentieth century: Few, and largely sick
- The Jewish people who immigrated to the land of Israel in the early 20th century: Revived and re-established the soil in the land of Israel, drained the swamps in the land of Israel, irrigated the land of Israel, developed huge agricultural industry in the land of Israel, installed electrical power in the land of Israel, built the infrastructure of the nation of Israel
- The Arab people in the land of Israel after the development of the land of Israel by the Jewish people who immigrated to the land of Israel in the early 20th century: Many more than there had been before the development of the land of Israel by the early twentieth century Jewish immigrants to the land of Israel
- The land of Jordan: Approximately two thirds of the British Mandate of Palestine
- "The West Bank" (Judea (Yehouda) and Sameria (Shomron)): Occupied by Jordan from 1949 to 1967; renamed to the name "The West Bank" by Jordan, referring to it (Judea (Yehouda) and Sameria (Shomron)) as "the west bank" of the Jordan river
- "The Gaza Strip": Occupied by Egypt from 1949 to 1967
- The PLO (the Palestinian Liberation Organization): Founded in 1964; its 1964 charter (and its 1968 revised, current, charter) calls for the destruction of what it calls "the Zionist" "occupation of 'Palestine'"
- Fatah: Founded in 1958; Founded by veterans of the organization (the Arab Higher Committee) of a co-architect (Haj Amin al-Husseini) of the Nazi 'Final Solution'
Game over! Western and Muslim racist intendedly genocidal anti-Jewish game over!
"It is the greatest triumph of anti-Semitism [anti-Jewish bigotry] that it has brought the Jews to view themselves with anti-Semitic [bigoted anti-Jewish] eyes."
-- Max Nordau
Notes:
1. The 1964 PLO Charter (http://www.un.int/wcm/content/site/palestine/pid/12363)
2. The 1968 revised, and current, PLO Charter (http://avalon.law.yale.edu/20th_century/plocov.asp)
3. The Hamas Charter (The Hamas Covenant) (http://avalon.law.yale.edu/20th_century/hamas.asp)
BTW: I, of course, know that the anti-Jewish bigotry of many of the people whose anti-Jewish bigotry I've referred to is not consciously "intentionally" intendedly genocidal, and is just "normal" Western anti-Jewish bigotry, and, in many cases, is, as part of that, "willful ignorance". But it's anti-Jewish bigotry nonetheless, and it, in effect, even if not in conscious "intentional" intention, is genocidal.
ReplyDeleteI don't have the wherewithal to clearly and fully express everything that I understand about the situation, so sometimes I use shortcuts/shorthand in my trying to communicate what I understand about the situation. And I realize that the shortcuts/shorthand in language that I sometimes have used may have seemed "extreme" and "exaggerated". But that's just because I'm frustrated and vexed about the situation, and because, as part of that, I'm frustrated and vexed that so many Jewish people don't understand the situation, and because, as part of that, Jewish people haven't listened to, or understood, what I have been trying to communicate about the situation, and because I haven't had the wherewithal to more clearly communicate my understanding of the situation. However, what I have written about the situation is not an exaggeration. What I have written about the situation is true. The situation is serious. The situation is perilous. But the situation can be made better. The situation can be made better by doing what I have expressed needs to be done to make the situation better.