In the comments at the Elder's joint, under my recent response to Jon Haber, "fizziks" called me a liar.
He writes:
Isn't there enough to take issue with in regard to Obama's treatment of Israel without having to resort to falsehoods about him "supporting" the Muslim Brotherhood?In what universe does providing rhetorical, financial, and military assistance to an organization somehow not constitute support?
Do I actually need to dig up links from the New York Times to verify?
Or does the word "support" have some transitional meaning that I am simply unaware of?
It is as if "fizziks" lives in some alternative mathematical universe within which "A" does not necessarily equal "A."
Thus when the Obama administration advances cash and F-16 fighter jets and Abrams tanks to the Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt - to be used against whom? - in the world of "fizziks" this does not constitute support.
This seems to be an example of the hyper-sophisticated Obama supporter who understands the extreme flexibility and relativity of truth.
Fizziks writes, viz-a-viz the "Arab Spring":
Obama supported the attempted transition to democracy in Egypt.Ho. Ho. Ho.
This is an excellent example of an intelligent person absolutely refusing to face reality.
There was no attempt to a transition to democracy in Egypt during the so-called "Arab Spring."
It's laughable.
There were western journalists and intellectuals who blithely announced it to be true - and who never admitted their mistake when it turned out to be false - and "fizziks" seems to be among them.
The "Arab Spring" was nothing more than Arab riots (and rapes) and well-meaning western delusions and apologetics. It was pretty obvious right from the beginning for anyone with a non-ideologically encumbered cognitive pulse.
Nonetheless, months and years go by and, somehow, the truth cannot seep into particular skulls. The reason for this is not due to lack of intelligence. The reason, I suspect, is a combination of ideology and pride, among other possible seasonings. Some Jewish Obama supporters were able to recognize a mistake and some insisted on sticking with Obama no matter what.
Fizziks seems to be in the latter category.
How does one have a political conversation with a physicist who absolutely refuses to acknowledge basic facts?
Face it.
The Obama administration supported the Brotherhood and the Brotherhood called for the conquest of Jerusalem.
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Studies commissioned by the president concluded that the US should back ‘moderate Islamists’ in the region
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Dubai: For the past decade, two successive US administrations have maintained close ties to the Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt, Tunisia, Syria and Libya, to name just the most prominent cases.
The Obama administration conducted an assessment of the Muslim Brotherhood in 2010 and 2011, beginning even before the events known as the “Arab Spring” erupted in Tunisia and in Egypt. The President personally issued Presidential Study Directive 11 (PSD-11) in 2010, ordering an assessment of the Muslim Brotherhood and other “political Islamist” movements, including the ruling AKP in Turkey, ultimately concluding that the United States should shift from its longstanding policy of supporting “stability” in the Middle East and North Africa (that is, support for “stable regimes” even if they were authoritarian), to a policy of backing “moderate” Islamic political movements....."
http://gulfnews.com/news/region/libya/us-document-reveals-cooperation-between-washington-and-brotherhood-1.1349207
“Sam and Irving are facing the firing squad. The executioner comes forward to place the blindfold on them. Sam disdainfully and proudly refuses, tearing the thing from his face. Irving turns to him and pleads: ‘Please Sam, don’t make trouble!’”
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Consider American Jewry's response during WW2:
“[the Bergson march] was to be the only rally in Washington on the rescue issue during the entire period of the Holocaust [but t]he idea of Jews marching through streets of the nation’s capital, promoting specifically Jewish requests such as rescue, especially during wartime, was anathema to mainstream Jewish leaders.”
So little changes.
Some issues are polarizing. That's seems like a silly thing to say but the fact remains you are either in favor of the Muslim Brotherhood or you are against them. There's no identifiably vague middle ground. You're not a little bit ok with rape or domestic violence. There's not an acceptable level of anti black racist hate. We don't about genocides that are well......more or less alright.
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ReplyDeletePray tell?
Indeed, I wish he would elaborate.
DeleteSomeone tell me in what plane of existence 1.3 billion dollars in US military aid to the Islamist Morsi government in Egypt does not constitute "support."
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Again, it is a failure to acknowledge the obvious.
What one can do is justify the support, but one cannot deny it.
Yet one does, doesn't one?
How fucking stupid.
I feel like I am standing before a tree with another person. And I say, "Hey, look, a tree." And the person I am standing with says, "What are you talking about? That's not a tree!" And I say, "But look it has branches and leaves and bark. See? This means it is a tree."
And the guy waves his hand and says, "You're crazy" as he walks away.