I am sure that Markos Moulitsas must feel a particular glow of pride at the fact that Israel Thrives is a spin-off site of a spin-off site of Daily Kos.
Keeping one's finger on the pulse of popular political blogs or the popular on-line political magazines is a way to gain a sense of the political base. Israel, as anyone who participated in the Daily Kos Arab-Israel discussion knows, is not well-liked by the activist base of the Democratic party and is, in fact, a toss-up within the Democratic party, as a whole.
On Daily Kos, itself, the anti-Zionists routed the pro-Israel Jews.
Nonetheless, I want to thank Doodad for pointing us to this comment by Proteus7. It is a comment in response to a "diary" concerning the PA's attempt to join the International Criminal Court (ICC).
Mixed feelings on this... (4+ / 5-)What is interesting is that if you follow the thread, Proteus7 handily turns back all of the usual attacks.
Since there has never been a state of "Palestine" before, I certainly don't beleive they somehow deserve one now. The Arabs there currently were mostly not indigenous, but rather imports from Egypt and Syria in the 1800s with no historical claim to the land. Just the facts.
That being said, thanks to the UN giving them unique multi-generational refugee status, and the failure and denial of their neighboring Arab countries to absorb the original refugees (Egypt and Jordan grabbed most of the land originally after 1948 but never allowed a separate state), we have a problem of 5 million people (grown from the original 750,000) without a nation.
So, what to do? Gaza is obvious. Gaza was never part of the original nation of Israel, it's 100% Arab, so it belongs to them. Israel is willing to give up parts of Judea and Samaria (the West Bank), but given past history (including 4 wars and repeated and constant terrorist threats), can't afford to have Arab missiles, rockets and mortars located 9 miles away from the heart of Israel.
A one state solution is untenable, as past history around he world has shown. Having an armed Palestinian state on two borders, with a population raised and educated to hatred and violence for three generations won't work either. The only answer is a demilitarized state. Of course, this has been offered before,
What the Palestinian Arabs don't seem to understand is that they lost. They rejected the original UN partition. They tried 4 times and for 60 years, through direct war, and terrorist attacks on civilians to try to get all of Israel, and failed. Failure has consequences, they need to take what they can get and build from there. History is not kind to losers...they don't get to dictate terms.
Unfortunately it won't happen. Thanks to the big lie, they've raised multiple generations to beleive that they have historical rights to a mythical nation of "Palestine" that never existed in history. They've elevated the mythology of the Temple Mount as an Arab holy place to ridiculous levels (from 1948-1967" under Jordanian control, not ONE Arab leader ever bothered to visit, or pray there). Israel will never give up control of Jerusalem, their 3000 year old historical capital, so it's a non-starter.
The above points I make are not politically correct. They are not popular on here. But, they are true and factual, and I challenge anyone to prove otherwise. Of course, given the level of intellectual dishonesty that i often see on these topics, I expect to get downvoted and banned quickly, rather than have a proper discussion of issues and facts. The truth isn't very popular on IP forums.
PS. The PA joining the ICC is laughable. A quote from Obama comes to mind: "Please, proceed" Mr Abbas! An organization with a 60 year history of deliberate terrorist attacks on civilians, and of launching thousands of rockets against civilian targets...whose 2015 New Year message consisted of Fatah flag planted atop a mound of Jewish skulls..this is the group that will try to bring charges on human rights violations against Israel? How do you saw "chutzpah" in Arabic?
by Proteus7 on Thu Jan 01, 2015 at 08:50:00 PM PST
What do you guys think?
Amusing thread. All of his / her attackers basically threw their hands up and admitted they were full of shit and had nothing to counter the comment, but of course that didn't stop them from calling him / her names and tossing "hide rates" out of impotent frustration that there is still someone there daring to challenge their precious narrative.
ReplyDeleteA model on how to handle this filth. Don't take a backward step.
ReplyDeleteA quiet celebration for Proteus7
Another voice