As to the pundits, they harp on Trump failing to mollify the Arabs' concerns that recognizing Israel's capital would close off prospects in the peace process: mollifying the Arabs' concern is like mollifying the Republicans' concern for fiscal rectitude when trying to craft a health plan.
In the case of health care, the Republicans think that society should be unconcerned if someone who is undeserving is unable to get health insurance. But they can't say that because that sounds too heartless, so they claim that it can't be done in a fiscally responsible manner, with fiscal responsibility being something that centrists can identify with.
Similarly, the Arabs object to recognizing Israel's capital because denying international recognition of Israel's capital is one of the few ways Islam can still lord its supremacy over Judaism. But they can't say that because no one would openly advocate for Islam's right to lord its supremacy, so they refer to the peace process to which the international chattering class can sympathize.
In both cases, addressing the claimed reasons will achieve nothing because doing so will do nothing to address the real reasons. Short of capitulating, the only thing that can be done is to call them out on their real motives, provide enough data to demonstrate that those are there real motives, and try to create a reality in which advocating the opponents' desired outcomes would enjoy the social respectability of openly advocating the motivations for those outcomes.
How you know Trump was right to do this. Almost all the world community is against it. That includes all Muslim countries naturally. The rest are Muslim appeasing countries and look what that has got them: daily terror on their doorstep. Trump has changed the paradigm. One that hasn't worked EVER. Finally. The key word on Trump's speech was "reality." We here know what he means. Course, speaking truth to morons and the complicit always makes them mad. Germany and France have condemned it but that won't save them from the next bloody attack. The Pope has condemned it but somewhere someone, maybe a bunch of someones are still trying to figure out how to chop off his infidel head.
I don't care what the idiots in the "world community" say. Sometime to get things done the right way you have to drag them kicking and screaming. Who ever had the idea that they are an oracle full of great wisdom. For a couple of generations after WWII history was supposed to be our great teacher. That has fallen by the wayside the past few decades.
I don't care how much anyone may despise Donald Trump. I don't care if every reason that someone despises Donald Trump is more than true. At this moment, on this day, Donald Trump deserves credit for acknowledging the city of Jerusalem as the capital of the Jewish State of Israel. This is an important moment and it is a step in the right direction.
"On Trump’s own role in the US shift on Jerusalem, Abrams noted that “several presidents in a row promised the same thing, and were then dissuaded by threats of violence, and arguments from the State Department about how the Arab world would react.”
“State will always make those arguments,” Abrams said. “I think this president has finally said that the rioters don’t get a veto.”
Finally an American President who says the rioters don't get a veto. How can Americans not love that? And of course other slack jawed Muslim appeasing countries don't get a veto either.
Somehow, that worthless sonofabitch Barack Obama chose this occasion to deliver a warning about Nazism:
////////////////////////////////////// Invoking the specter of Nazi Germany, Obama warns against complacency
American democracy is fragile, and unless care is taken it could follow the path of Nazi Germany in the 1930s.
Mixed in with many softer comments, that was the somewhat jaw-dropping bottom line of Barack Obama last night as, in a Q&A session before the Economic Club of Chicago, the Chicagoan who used to be president dropped a bit of red meat to a hometown crowd that likely is a lot closer to him than the man whose name never was mentioned: President Donald Trump. ////////////////////////////////////// http://www.chicagobusiness.com/article/20171206/BLOGS02/171209933/barack-obama-invokes-nazi-germany-in-economic-club-remarks
Oh my! That is just so deep. Apparently Obama is on an O-bummer. Doesn't take a genius to know the differences between Weimar Germany's weaknesses and the historical robustness of the US Constitution. (No, NOT the ship, Barack!)
//////////////// India needs to cherish and nurture its Muslims: Obama //////////////// http://www.thehindu.com/news/national/india-needs-to-cherish-and-nurture-its-muslims-obama/article21241610.ece
The thing is, Obama is not necessarily wrong. The US could "follow the path of Nazi Germany." In fact, I have pretty good idea on how to make that happen.
What you want to do is instill hatred and resentment into the hearts of "people of color" against American workers of European descent.
Then you unleash that resentment in magazine and newspaper articles on a regular basis trashing "whiteness" and claiming, essentially, that everything wrong pretty much everywhere is due to those heinous "white" people and their hideous "white" ways of thinking and being.
Then drag up some 3rd rate white nationalist, like Richard Spencer, and pretend he's important by giving him media coverage.
This results in the impression that white nationalism, if not white supremacism, is on the rise thereby justifying a backlash against it (antifa).
The combination of anti-European racism and the rise of anti-fascist groups that beat up regular conservative Americans in the streets, along with actual white nationalists, will encourage some right-wing Americans to feel under siege and thereby actually join with white nationalists groups.
The American left is doing an excellent job in setting the table.
I was basically agreeing with you that the media inflate the importance of an otherwise minor hatemonger like Richard Spencer. I then added my observation that the media simply don't give the views of someone like Robert Spencer any airing at all. That would clash with their overriding determination to jam Islam and Muslims down our collective throats.
What I like about this is that all the Jew haters' reactions are all and always the same - to every so called provocation. If the Jews announced 'good morning' the left, the EU, the Arabs and Democrats in Congress would scream it's a provocation. But then again, they made the same human sounds when the IDf had to mow the grass in Gaza.
One thing it would have been nice if he said but did not:
During the 2000 talks at Camp David, Yasir Arafat insisted to President Clinton that the Jews have no historic ties to Jerusalem. It is time that the Palestinians learn that there are consequences to denying incontrovertible history.
He did say that. But that's not saying that the Palestinians deny that fact and that there are consequences for that denial. Pointing out the Palestinians' denial would have taken a shot at the assumption that their stated reason for objecting is their actual reason.
This move on Jerusalem will not make me change my opinion on Trump. However, like Nixon during the Yom Kippur War, we would have to give him credit for what he did.
I gotta tell ya man, I think that Trump is interesting because he shows how easily people are manipulated. When I say that, I don't just mean how well he manipulates others, which I am certain he is excellent at, but also how easily we are manipulated by the media and by one another.
What I have been saying from the beginning is that it is difficult for me, at least, to get a grip on this president because of all the toxic smoke that is blown into our faces on a daily basis.
I will never forget going to the WAPO on a particular day during the campaign and seeing nine - count 'em - nine negative headlines against Trump on the front page.
I was fucking flabbergasted!
In any case, I am damn happy about the recognition of Jerusalem, but in the long term it will not mean much unless the embassy is actually moved.
My guess is that if he doesn't do so in this term that he will not do so at all.
This may be only a start, but it is a start. I also hope that he will follow through on the embassy move, and I think from what I read they are actually following through.
As I understand it, the embassy move may be years away. As long as it is in the process of being moved, I don't care if it gets done under Trump. There is no way this will be reversed.
Was it the mayor of Jerusalem that said the embassy could be moved in "two minutes"?
And now Tillerson, and others, are talking about years?
Something doesn't smell right.
Don't get me wrong, the acknowledgment is definitely a step in the right direction, but ultimately its significance hinges on actually moving the embassy.
The acknowledgment must be concretized or, in the end, it will mean nothing.
First, everyone said Trump was lying about recognizing Jerusalem as Israel's capitol and moving the embassy.
And after he signed the waiver last June when this president was in the middle of a great many other things and up against a hard deadline, these same people gloated and said 'you see, he's never going to do it.'
I knew different then, and understood that President Trump is playing on a bigger game board than a lot of people imagine. Every one of my Israeli sources said it was a matter of when, not if.
If anyone is interested in learning more about that bigger playing field, why the president made this decision now and what it really means, you can read it here:
You will see that the embassy will indeed be moved, and in his first term. Remember, this president, among his other attributes is a builder, and even now he's cleansing the State Department of the usual anti-Israel swamp creatures that would normally try to derail it. Trump will make this a priority, especially if Abbas continues his obstruction, which of course his is. Not meeting with VP Pence was another serious error.
Meanwhile, the Taylor Force bill has passed which will deprive Abbas of a lot of his U.S. aid, Nikki Haley, Trump's choice for UN ambassador is hammering that organization into submission and the U.S. /Israel alliance has been revived from the near alienation Obama reduced it to. Ditto with India.
I realize that there are those here who will hate this president regardless of what he accomplishes.
Rob, that may all be true. However, I don't think this could not have been accomplished had any of the other Republican candidates for president been elected. Remember, we were at the end of eight years of the disastrous Obama administration and the Democrats had "coronated" the very flawed Hillary Clinton. The Republicans would have been favored in that election. And the voters nearly flushed that away by nominating the most polarizing candidate that could have opposed Hillary.
Yes, I am sure Trump will do great things. That will still not change many of our opinions--this man is not someone who inspires pride in our country, more like the "Ugly American" who neutralizes the good he does via Twitter. We probably will have to agree to disagree--and we will not be sure when we will escape the mess this country is in...
Time for Palestinians and their enablers to show their true selves.
ReplyDeleteSome of Ben Shapiro's thoughts on the matter:
ReplyDeletehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=177&v=2fSTTTRgpJI
and,
Deletehttp://www.dailywire.com/news/24370/no-trump-verifying-jerusalem-israels-capital-wont-ben-shapiro
The "PA" is calling for 3 days of rage. To be safe, stay away from Jerusalem's old city, and Berkeley.
ReplyDeleteAs to the pundits, they harp on Trump failing to mollify the Arabs' concerns that recognizing Israel's capital would close off prospects in the peace process: mollifying the Arabs' concern is like mollifying the Republicans' concern for fiscal rectitude when trying to craft a health plan.
ReplyDeleteIn the case of health care, the Republicans think that society should be unconcerned if someone who is undeserving is unable to get health insurance. But they can't say that because that sounds too heartless, so they claim that it can't be done in a fiscally responsible manner, with fiscal responsibility being something that centrists can identify with.
Similarly, the Arabs object to recognizing Israel's capital because denying international recognition of Israel's capital is one of the few ways Islam can still lord its supremacy over Judaism. But they can't say that because no one would openly advocate for Islam's right to lord its supremacy, so they refer to the peace process to which the international chattering class can sympathize.
In both cases, addressing the claimed reasons will achieve nothing because doing so will do nothing to address the real reasons. Short of capitulating, the only thing that can be done is to call them out on their real motives, provide enough data to demonstrate that those are there real motives, and try to create a reality in which advocating the opponents' desired outcomes would enjoy the social respectability of openly advocating the motivations for those outcomes.
How you know Trump was right to do this. Almost all the world community is against it. That includes all Muslim countries naturally. The rest are Muslim appeasing countries and look what that has got them: daily terror on their doorstep. Trump has changed the paradigm. One that hasn't worked EVER. Finally. The key word on Trump's speech was "reality." We here know what he means. Course, speaking truth to morons and the complicit always makes them mad. Germany and France have condemned it but that won't save them from the next bloody attack. The Pope has condemned it but somewhere someone, maybe a bunch of someones are still trying to figure out how to chop off his infidel head.
ReplyDeleteThe Pope and his people are responsible for the Jew hatred in the first place.
DeleteYes, I always get the feeling he wants his piece.
DeleteI don't care what the idiots in the "world community" say. Sometime to get things done the right way you have to drag them kicking and screaming. Who ever had the idea that they are an oracle full of great wisdom. For a couple of generations after WWII history was supposed to be our great teacher. That has fallen by the wayside the past few decades.
Deletehttp://freebeacon.com/blog/days-of-media-rage-about-jerusalem/
ReplyDeleteExcellent article explaining why Trump is right and the "peace guild," is and has always been so wrong.
I don't care how much anyone may despise Donald Trump. I don't care if every reason that someone despises Donald Trump is more than true. At this moment, on this day, Donald Trump deserves credit for acknowledging the city of Jerusalem as the capital of the Jewish State of Israel. This is an important moment and it is a step in the right direction.
ReplyDeleteExactly!
Delete"On Trump’s own role in the US shift on Jerusalem, Abrams noted that “several presidents in a row promised the same thing, and were then dissuaded by threats of violence, and arguments from the State Department about how the Arab world would react.”
ReplyDelete“State will always make those arguments,” Abrams said. “I think this president has finally said that the rioters don’t get a veto.”
https://www.algemeiner.com/2017/12/06/palestinian-muslim-ragepalestinian-muslim-rage-over-trump-recognition-of-jerusalem-as-israels-capital-will-be-short-lived-senior-former-white-house-official-predicts/
Finally an American President who says the rioters don't get a veto. How can Americans not love that? And of course other slack jawed Muslim appeasing countries don't get a veto either.
Somehow, that worthless sonofabitch Barack Obama chose this occasion to deliver a warning about Nazism:
ReplyDelete//////////////////////////////////////
Invoking the specter of Nazi Germany, Obama warns against complacency
American democracy is fragile, and unless care is taken it could follow the path of Nazi Germany in the 1930s.
Mixed in with many softer comments, that was the somewhat jaw-dropping bottom line of Barack Obama last night as, in a Q&A session before the Economic Club of Chicago, the Chicagoan who used to be president dropped a bit of red meat to a hometown crowd that likely is a lot closer to him than the man whose name never was mentioned: President Donald Trump.
//////////////////////////////////////
http://www.chicagobusiness.com/article/20171206/BLOGS02/171209933/barack-obama-invokes-nazi-germany-in-economic-club-remarks
I'm sure the timing is coincidental.
Oh my! That is just so deep. Apparently Obama is on an O-bummer. Doesn't take a genius to know the differences between Weimar Germany's weaknesses and the historical robustness of the US Constitution. (No, NOT the ship, Barack!)
DeleteBut wait, there's more!
Delete////////////////
India needs to cherish and nurture its Muslims: Obama
////////////////
http://www.thehindu.com/news/national/india-needs-to-cherish-and-nurture-its-muslims-obama/article21241610.ece
The thing is, Obama is not necessarily wrong. The US could "follow the path of Nazi Germany." In fact, I have pretty good idea on how to make that happen.
DeleteWhat you want to do is instill hatred and resentment into the hearts of "people of color" against American workers of European descent.
Then you unleash that resentment in magazine and newspaper articles on a regular basis trashing "whiteness" and claiming, essentially, that everything wrong pretty much everywhere is due to those heinous "white" people and their hideous "white" ways of thinking and being.
Then drag up some 3rd rate white nationalist, like Richard Spencer, and pretend he's important by giving him media coverage.
This results in the impression that white nationalism, if not white supremacism, is on the rise thereby justifying a backlash against it (antifa).
The combination of anti-European racism and the rise of anti-fascist groups that beat up regular conservative Americans in the streets, along with actual white nationalists, will encourage some right-wing Americans to feel under siege and thereby actually join with white nationalists groups.
The American left is doing an excellent job in setting the table.
We'll see how many sit down to eat.
It sounds like 1940's wants its foreign policy back.
DeleteThe media inflate Richard Spencer every chance they get, don't they? OTOH, Robert Spencer goes unmentioned. Another cowinkydink, I'm sure.
DeleteRandall, I honestly do not know what you mean by that.
DeleteWhat do you mean?
I was basically agreeing with you that the media inflate the importance of an otherwise minor hatemonger like Richard Spencer. I then added my observation that the media simply don't give the views of someone like Robert Spencer any airing at all. That would clash with their overriding determination to jam Islam and Muslims down our collective throats.
DeleteLou Reed has a message from the past - a past when the left was prosemitic:
ReplyDeletehttps://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=lou+reed+good+evening+mr.+waldheim
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Good evening Mr.Waldheim
and Pontiff how are you?
You have so much in common
in the things you do
And here comes Jesse Jackson
he talks of Common Ground
does that Common Ground include me
or is it just a sound
/////////////////////
When do the Peace Pogroms break out across Europe?
ReplyDeleteAll over the Sinistrosphere they're saying President Trump's move will cause riots and bloodshed.
ReplyDeleteI have a question to ask on this: Why are Leftists such anti-Arab racists and Islamophobes? Why do they have this low opinion of Arabs and Muslims?
(Do we really need a snark tag...?)
"Sinistrosphere"?
ReplyDeleteThat one is new to me.
And the thing is the left is, in fact, crawling with anti-Arab racism.
They consider Arabs to be like small children who have no agency and, thus, no responsibility for their behavior.
They want to give them a kitzel behind the ear, a pat on the head, and chocolate chip cookie.
This is how much respect that the pampered American left gives to Arabs.
What I like about this is that all the Jew haters' reactions are all and always the same - to every so called provocation. If the Jews announced 'good morning' the left, the EU, the Arabs and Democrats in Congress would scream it's a provocation. But then again, they made the same human sounds when the IDf had to mow the grass in Gaza.
ReplyDeleteDay 2 of a new paradigm and I feel fine! Do wah diddy diddy dum diddy dum.
ReplyDeleteOne thing it would have been nice if he said but did not:
ReplyDeleteDuring the 2000 talks at Camp David, Yasir Arafat insisted to President Clinton that the Jews have no historic ties to Jerusalem. It is time that the Palestinians learn that there are consequences to denying incontrovertible history.
He said Jerusalem is the capital of the Jewish people 'for thousands of years' I think.
DeleteHe did say that. But that's not saying that the Palestinians deny that fact and that there are consequences for that denial. Pointing out the Palestinians' denial would have taken a shot at the assumption that their stated reason for objecting is their actual reason.
DeleteRemember the concept of the big lie Mike.
DeleteThis move on Jerusalem will not make me change my opinion on Trump. However, like Nixon during the Yom Kippur War, we would have to give him credit for what he did.
ReplyDeleteI gotta tell ya man, I think that Trump is interesting because he shows how easily people are manipulated. When I say that, I don't just mean how well he manipulates others, which I am certain he is excellent at, but also how easily we are manipulated by the media and by one another.
DeleteWhat I have been saying from the beginning is that it is difficult for me, at least, to get a grip on this president because of all the toxic smoke that is blown into our faces on a daily basis.
I will never forget going to the WAPO on a particular day during the campaign and seeing nine - count 'em - nine negative headlines against Trump on the front page.
I was fucking flabbergasted!
In any case, I am damn happy about the recognition of Jerusalem, but in the long term it will not mean much unless the embassy is actually moved.
My guess is that if he doesn't do so in this term that he will not do so at all.
I very much hope that I am wrong.
This may be only a start, but it is a start. I also hope that he will follow through on the embassy move, and I think from what I read they are actually following through.
DeleteAs I understand it, the embassy move may be years away. As long as it is in the process of being moved, I don't care if it gets done under Trump. There is no way this will be reversed.
I wouldn't be so sure about that.
DeleteWas it the mayor of Jerusalem that said the embassy could be moved in "two minutes"?
And now Tillerson, and others, are talking about years?
Something doesn't smell right.
Don't get me wrong, the acknowledgment is definitely a step in the right direction, but ultimately its significance hinges on actually moving the embassy.
The acknowledgment must be concretized or, in the end, it will mean nothing.
We shall see.
I will hope for the best, but I think this is still very good.
DeleteFirst, everyone said Trump was lying about recognizing Jerusalem as Israel's capitol and moving the embassy.
DeleteAnd after he signed the waiver last June when this president was in the middle of a great many other things and up against a hard deadline, these same people gloated and said 'you see, he's never going to do it.'
I knew different then, and understood that President Trump is playing on a bigger game board than a lot of people imagine. Every one of my Israeli sources said it was a matter of when, not if.
If anyone is interested in learning more about that bigger playing field, why the president made this decision now and what it really means, you can read it here:
http://joshuapundit.blogspot.com/2017/12/trump-and-jerusalem-story-behind-story.html
You will see that the embassy will indeed be moved, and in his first term. Remember, this president, among his other attributes is a builder, and even now he's cleansing the State Department of the usual anti-Israel swamp creatures that would normally try to derail it. Trump will make this a priority, especially if Abbas continues his obstruction, which of course his is. Not meeting with VP Pence was another serious error.
Meanwhile, the Taylor Force bill has passed which will deprive Abbas of a lot of his U.S. aid, Nikki Haley, Trump's choice for UN ambassador is hammering that organization into submission and the U.S. /Israel alliance has been revived from the near alienation Obama reduced it to. Ditto with India.
I realize that there are those here who will hate this president regardless of what he accomplishes.
Just watch what happens.
"Sinistrosphere"...I love it!
ReplyDelete(Maybe there's a "Dexterosphere" as well--I think I am using the correct prefix on this.)
Let them have their "Days of Rage." It won't change the facts of the case.
Rob, that may all be true. However, I don't think this could not have been accomplished had any of the other Republican candidates for president been elected. Remember, we were at the end of eight years of the disastrous Obama administration and the Democrats had "coronated" the very flawed Hillary Clinton. The Republicans would have been favored in that election. And the voters nearly flushed that away by nominating the most polarizing candidate that could have opposed Hillary.
ReplyDeleteYes, I am sure Trump will do great things. That will still not change many of our opinions--this man is not someone who inspires pride in our country, more like the "Ugly American" who neutralizes the good he does via Twitter. We probably will have to agree to disagree--and we will not be sure when we will escape the mess this country is in...