You'll miss all those mailings from the DNC. I was getting them from the Hillary campaign. I got to tell you, they were submental. Really quite insulting.
I don't think I've ever been a strong supporter of either party. I've voted for both Republicans and Democrats. Although the Republicans seem to have had the better candidates, I still want to keep my options open. After all, if one party nominates a clinker, I don't want to have to be tied to the clinker because I might have made the statement "I'll never vote for a ________________."
And then, 2016 happened. Suddenly there were no good options.
Sorry Michael Lumish, but I already did it before you did. I quit the Democratic Party more than five years ago, after having been a lifelong Democrat from a family of 100% lifelong Democrats.
My fellow Jews try to make all kinds of excuses for their continued membership in the Democratic Party, but in truth, there is NO EXCUSE for continuing membership in Democratic Party becomes more anti-Israel and more pro-radical-Muslim-terrorist with each year that passes by.
All Jews should quit the Democratic Party, and all Jews should STOP BUYING newspapers and magazines that are grossly unfair to Israel – for example, The New York Times:
That's not exactly true. I sympathize with a lot of what he says, even if he has a direct way of saying it. But I would also say, if it is possible, not to join the Republicans either. Maintain your independence if you can.
My father used to say he had always wanted to be a Republican, but couldn't afford it. :0)
That said, I have toyed with the idea myself. It would be good if Jews as well as blacks split their votes between the two parties for obvious reasons (hispanics are already there). The Farrakhan wing could stay with the Dems along with J Street and other pro-Israel pro-peace/anti-Israel anti-peace organizations and front groups who pretend to have massive Jewish membership and support in a "why not join the bandwagon?" strategy. Anyway, I might be voting Republican this time around because a) I care so little for people, b) the most disgusting human being ever to walk the earth is POTUS, c) I want the Democrats to be denied a victory for their behavior and authoritarian totalitarian trendiness. (Only one of those is the actual reason. Guess which!)
When I find myself in times of trouble Mother Mary comes to me speaking words of wisdom "Just keep thinkin' Lincoln"
If you want a laugh read 'The Fascist Manifesto' by Tomasso Marinetti (1919). It was one of the drivers for Mussolini. I won't give away the surprise but.... it could be a Bernie Sanders ad.
I don't doubt it. One thing that people do not generally know is that the Republicans in the late 1960s had a hippie / social-libertarian wing. I saw Arlo in concert and my guess is that he comes out of that wing.
"Arlo Guthrie is a Republican." He is a known litterer with a rap sheet to prove it. :0) He obviously doesn't care about the environment. He is an earth racist and a cis-folk singer.
“The article also failed to address national polling along partisan lines that has shown a sharp contrast between the overwhelming pro-Israel sentiments of Republicans and the decidedly mixed views of Democrats about the Jewish state, which show that the GOP has been the party where “blanket support” is the norm for the last 30 years, rather than the other way around.”
SOURCE: Can pro-Israel Democrats Turn Back the Intersectional Tide? by Jonathan S. Tobin, 2018 October 16 www.jns.org/opinion/can-pro-israel-democrats-turn-back-the-intersectional-tide/
“Ocasio-Cortez’s primary victory was a big deal because it had enormous symbolic value in that her upset of Rep. Joe Crowley not only knocked off a senior member of the Democratic leadership, but also a stalwart of the pro-Israel community. ‘
Replacing him with someone who is not sure what she thinks about Israel’s right to exist wasn’t as much an accident as a sign of the changing political culture of the Democrats.”
SOURCE: Can pro-Israel Democrats Turn Back the Intersectional Tide? by Jonathan S. Tobin, 2018 October 16 www.jns.org/opinion/can-pro-israel-democrats-turn-back-the-intersectional-tide/
I have mixed feelings on this one. I think that Jews should not be so ready to register as Democrats. At this time I think that this works against their best interests.
On the other hand, I wouldn't be so quick to join either party. I think you should have both parties work for your vote.
Now, when it comes to you-know-who, I think it's a sad day when so many good things are happening but it's all neutralized by the most embarassing, disgusting person to ever hold the office.
how is Trump "embarassing" or "disgusting?" Who cares about ooo he called Warren "Pocahontas" or Stormy "Horseface." He's winning for US, both the Jewish Nation, as well as the country on aggregate!
That's my opinion. If winning is everything to you, we will have to disagree. All I know is that Trump is behaving unlike any other U.S. president, and I never had to be embarassed about any other president.
And another thing...I don't discount the good things that are happening. I think he was right to move the U.S. Embassy to Jerusalem. The economy is in good shape. Then why are so many people talking about the president instead of all these good things?
I refused to vote for either of the major party candidates in 2016. I am an independent, and for the first time in my life I could not honestly say that one candidate was worthy of my support. That's saying something. I will do the same in 2020 if the two parties cannot come up with a candidate I can support.
I care about civility. Some posters may not as long as Trump is "winning," but if they do I feel sorry for them.
Sheldan, it was the left that said "Drumpf is a Nazi," a "dictator," "attacking democracy" and gave us Antifa, justified/humanized Farrakhan, etc. They demonize those of us who believe in two genders, likened border control to Nazism, etc. THEY'RE the reason we have no civility. They can't stand that their vision for society will never ever fucking happen.
So what?! That may be true, but we don't have to go to their level. Besides, that means that the great middle has nowhere to go.
I dislike the left as much as you do, but elements of the right are not better. Extremism is extremism. I will not be forced to say Trump is a good man, because I don't believe it. I have overwhelming evidence that he is not a good man. And all the success in government will not erase that fact.
All you’re justifying is not having a point of view. This is what the progressives did when Bush was the elected the same thing the republicans did when Trump was elected. Take your ball and go home; leave the work to us and keep your hands clean
I DO have a point of view; it just doesn't agree with yours. I don't have to be insulted simply because I don't agree that Trump is the greatest thing since sliced bread.
But I will leave this particular discussion. If all I'm going to get is aggravation because I simply think that everything Trump is doing is neutralized by the kind of person he is, then it's clearly not worth it.
"Do you really believe that bedside manner outweighs results?" I don't. But I wasn't blindsided by his winning the election. Imagine Hillary had won. I rest my case. Her personality sucks. And where would the country be right now?
Sheldon, all of these politicians are inherently amoral people: they all violate the principle "a friend to all is a friend to none". Trump is DOING great things and winning for us.
“The sick do not ask if the hand that smoothes their pillow is pure, nor the dying care if the lips that touch their brow have known the kiss of sin.” — Oscar Wilde
I meant that literally. Taking yourself out of the political arena to stand on the sidelines isn't an answer. That's up to you but then you don't have a good reason to complain anymore
One of those things which bothers me about the current state of the American Left is its propensity for turning everything in your life into a political question. That and denunciations over argumentation. Then, of course, there is the embrace of antisemitism and calling it something else. You can fool some of the people some of time,...
1) If the primary two years from now comes down to Cory Booker and John Delaney, would you want to be forced to the sidelines?
2) I try to live according to something Joe Lieberman said in a speech he once gave along the lines of , "Try to let you principles guide your politics rather than let your politics guide your principles." Applying that to our situation, one of our principles is to support Israel and to side with Israel against Palestinianist lies. This will affect our politics in that we support those to do likewise and denounce those who stand with Palestinianist lies against Israel. The issue becomes what are our principles on political topics that do not affect Israel. Do we develop our principles on those issues internally and base our politics on the combination of those issues and Israel or do outsource our thinking on those issues to whatever predominates among those who support presently Israel?
And how can anyone trust the credibility of those who file suit to end the protection of those with health preconditions and claim that they intend to preserve those protections?
I can respect you if you present a logical argument for what the cost is of protecting those with preconditions and why those cost are too great. I cannot respect support for ending such protections under the pretense of preserving them. It is also possible to be pro-Israel and support protecting preexisting conditions, but recognize that you can only vote for one or the other.
Another point is that the Democratic Party is not monolithic. While it is the party of Ocasio-Cortez, it is also the party of Ted Deutsch and Robert Menendez. As of now, there are more Democrats who are staunch Israel supporters than there are Republicans who support my domestic priorities. Given that, a Congress with a small Democratic majority would have a solid pro-Israel majority between the vast majority of Republicans and non-trivial minority of Democrats who solidly support Israel.
If the Dems win, what lessons will they take from the current election cycle? This is also something to be considered. Also, what will the party accomplish in the next two years? Endless investigations? Maxine Waters and Adam Schiff heading committees. It's starting to look like the UN HRC. If I were to go by their behavior the past two years and only that, they deserve to be crushed. Or to put it in milder terms, they need a time out.
I have a hard time coming to terms with your very weird electoral system, but please enlighten me as to why you have to register your voting intentions?
You'll miss all those mailings from the DNC. I was getting them from the Hillary campaign. I got to tell you, they were submental. Really quite insulting.
ReplyDeleteI still get tons of them. And texts too. And phone calls
DeleteI don't know. I've been a proud independent for about 5 years. Were I to join the Republicans it would primarily be out of spite!
DeleteIf you're an independent, keep up the good work!
DeleteI don't think I've ever been a strong supporter of either party. I've voted for both Republicans and Democrats. Although the Republicans seem to have had the better candidates, I still want to keep my options open. After all, if one party nominates a clinker, I don't want to have to be tied to the clinker because I might have made the statement "I'll never vote for a ________________."
And then, 2016 happened. Suddenly there were no good options.
We love you no matter what. Your family might not though
ReplyDeleteas long as he's not in a state where voter registration is public, he's fine. CT is one of the states it's public.
DeleteI think Laurie would recover... smelling salts and all that.
DeleteNot voting for a major party is a waste of a vote.
Deletebc then you're a sexistracisttransphobeislamophobezionist...
ReplyDeleteFirst, I don't trust anyone using such big words. ;-)
DeleteAnd I think Dennis Prager coined the word SIXHIRB to describe what you are saying.
On the other hand, I would also say, "Prove it," if anyone accused me of being a...how the hell do you pronounce it?!
Sorry Michael Lumish, but I already did it before you did. I quit the Democratic Party more than five years ago, after having been a lifelong Democrat from a family of 100% lifelong Democrats.
ReplyDeleteMy fellow Jews try to make all kinds of excuses for their continued membership in the Democratic Party, but in truth, there is NO EXCUSE for continuing membership in Democratic Party becomes more anti-Israel and more pro-radical-Muslim-terrorist with each year that passes by.
All Jews should quit the Democratic Party, and all Jews should STOP BUYING newspapers and magazines that are grossly unfair to Israel – for example, The New York Times:
www.algemeiner.com/2018/01/04/will-layoffs-at-the-new-york-times-lead-to-even-worse-coverage-of-israel/
www.algemeiner.com/2018/01/08/new-york-times-editorial-board-falls-suspiciously-silent-on-iran-protests/
www.algemeiner.com/2018/02/21/new-york-times-reader-comments-call-israel-barbaric-blame-jews-for-antisemitism/
For once, I agree with Mr. Cohen... :-)
DeleteThat's not exactly true. I sympathize with a lot of what he says, even if he has a direct way of saying it. But I would also say, if it is possible, not to join the Republicans either. Maintain your independence if you can.
The Reform Movement is cancer, and I think is largely responsible for the bandwagon effect in our communities regarding the Democrat Party.
DeleteI tried joining the anarchists but they never had an office
ReplyDeleteBa-doom-chee!
DeleteMy father used to say he had always wanted to be a Republican, but couldn't afford it. :0)
DeleteThat said, I have toyed with the idea myself. It would be good if Jews as well as blacks split their votes between the two parties for obvious reasons (hispanics are already there).
The Farrakhan wing could stay with the Dems along with J Street and other pro-Israel pro-peace/anti-Israel anti-peace organizations and front groups who pretend to have massive Jewish membership and support in a "why not join the bandwagon?" strategy.
Anyway, I might be voting Republican this time around because
a) I care so little for people,
b) the most disgusting human being ever to walk the earth is POTUS,
c) I want the Democrats to be denied a victory for their behavior and authoritarian totalitarian trendiness.
(Only one of those is the actual reason. Guess which!)
When I find myself in times of trouble
Mother Mary comes to me
speaking words of wisdom
"Just keep thinkin' Lincoln"
I think you say (c) is the correct reason, but (b) is still true. :-)
DeleteIf you want a laugh read 'The Fascist Manifesto' by Tomasso Marinetti (1919). It was one of the drivers for Mussolini. I won't give away the surprise but.... it could be a Bernie Sanders ad.
ReplyDeleteAsk those notorious anti-Israel, anti-Semitic former Republicans Jennifer Rubin and Max Boot.
ReplyDeleteArlo Guthrie is a Republican.
ReplyDeleteI don't doubt it. One thing that people do not generally know is that the Republicans in the late 1960s had a hippie / social-libertarian wing. I saw Arlo in concert and my guess is that he comes out of that wing.
Delete"Arlo Guthrie is a Republican."
DeleteHe is a known litterer with a rap sheet to prove it. :0)
He obviously doesn't care about the environment. He is an earth racist and a cis-folk singer.
“The article also failed to address national polling along partisan lines that has shown a sharp contrast between the overwhelming pro-Israel sentiments of Republicans and the decidedly mixed views of Democrats about the Jewish state, which show that the GOP has been the party where “blanket support” is the norm for the last 30 years, rather than the other way around.”
ReplyDeleteSOURCE:
Can pro-Israel Democrats Turn Back the Intersectional Tide?
by Jonathan S. Tobin, 2018 October 16
www.jns.org/opinion/can-pro-israel-democrats-turn-back-the-intersectional-tide/
If hundreds of thousands like you did it, even for just a year, maybe the knuckle headed Dems would get a clue.
ReplyDeleteI doubt it. They'll just double down on their extremism.
Delete“Ocasio-Cortez’s primary victory was a big deal because it had enormous symbolic value in that her upset of Rep. Joe Crowley not only knocked off a senior member of the Democratic leadership, but also a stalwart of the pro-Israel community. ‘
ReplyDeleteReplacing him with someone who is not sure what she thinks about Israel’s right to exist wasn’t as much an accident as a sign of the changing political culture of the Democrats.”
SOURCE:
Can pro-Israel Democrats Turn Back the Intersectional Tide?
by Jonathan S. Tobin, 2018 October 16
www.jns.org/opinion/can-pro-israel-democrats-turn-back-the-intersectional-tide/
I have mixed feelings on this one. I think that Jews should not be so ready to register as Democrats. At this time I think that this works against their best interests.
ReplyDeleteOn the other hand, I wouldn't be so quick to join either party. I think you should have both parties work for your vote.
Now, when it comes to you-know-who, I think it's a sad day when so many good things are happening but it's all neutralized by the most embarassing, disgusting person to ever hold the office.
So you don't see the humor?
DeleteWhat humor?
Deletehow is Trump "embarassing" or "disgusting?" Who cares about ooo he called Warren "Pocahontas" or Stormy "Horseface." He's winning for US, both the Jewish Nation, as well as the country on aggregate!
DeleteThat's my opinion. If winning is everything to you, we will have to disagree. All I know is that Trump is behaving unlike any other U.S. president, and I never had to be embarassed about any other president.
DeleteAnd another thing...I don't discount the good things that are happening. I think he was right to move the U.S. Embassy to Jerusalem. The economy is in good shape. Then why are so many people talking about the president instead of all these good things?
DeleteI refused to vote for either of the major party candidates in 2016. I am an independent, and for the first time in my life I could not honestly say that one candidate was worthy of my support. That's saying something. I will do the same in 2020 if the two parties cannot come up with a candidate I can support.
I care about civility. Some posters may not as long as Trump is "winning," but if they do I feel sorry for them.
Sheldan, it was the left that said "Drumpf is a Nazi," a "dictator," "attacking democracy" and gave us Antifa, justified/humanized Farrakhan, etc. They demonize those of us who believe in two genders, likened border control to Nazism, etc. THEY'RE the reason we have no civility. They can't stand that their vision for society will never ever fucking happen.
DeleteSo what?! That may be true, but we don't have to go to their level. Besides, that means that the great middle has nowhere to go.
DeleteI dislike the left as much as you do, but elements of the right are not better. Extremism is extremism. I will not be forced to say Trump is a good man, because I don't believe it. I have overwhelming evidence that he is not a good man. And all the success in government will not erase that fact.
All you’re justifying is not having a point of view. This is what the progressives did when Bush was the elected the same thing the republicans did when Trump was elected. Take your ball and go home; leave the work to us and keep your hands clean
Deletehttps://www.breitbart.com/politics/2018/10/17/caroline-glick-jewish-democrats-increasingly-anti-israel/
DeleteRead it and weep.
What defines a "good" man? What makes Trump a "bad" man?
DeleteHas Trump abused his power? Has he engaged in corruption? Infringed on the free speech of others?
Define the criteria. Having the gumption to fight back against entrenched power that lacks scruples makes one bad?
I DO have a point of view; it just doesn't agree with yours. I don't have to be insulted simply because I don't agree that Trump is the greatest thing since sliced bread.
DeleteBut I will leave this particular discussion. If all I'm going to get is aggravation because I simply think that everything Trump is doing is neutralized by the kind of person he is, then it's clearly not worth it.
You brought up these terms good and bad as labels. Define them.
DeleteDo you really believe that bedside manner outweighs results?
"Do you really believe that bedside manner outweighs results?"
DeleteI don't. But I wasn't blindsided by his winning the election. Imagine Hillary had won. I rest my case.
Her personality sucks. And where would the country be right now?
Sheldon, all of these politicians are inherently amoral people: they all violate the principle "a friend to all is a friend to none". Trump is DOING great things and winning for us.
DeleteProgressive wet dreams. Pushing anti-Trumpism no matter what. Looking at Russian bots when they are Russian dupes.
Delete“The sick do not ask if the hand that smoothes their pillow is pure, nor the dying care if the lips that touch their brow have known the kiss of sin.”
ReplyDelete— Oscar Wilde
I meant that literally. Taking yourself out of the political arena to stand on the sidelines isn't an answer. That's up to you but then you don't have a good reason to complain anymore
ReplyDeleteI found this link at Elder's:
ReplyDeletehttps://www.commentarymagazine.com/articles/the-shame-of-the-anti-defamation-league/
Certainly worth reading for anyone with concerns about the direction of the Democratic Party.
this article needs to be spread far and wide
DeleteOne of those things which bothers me about the current state of the American Left is its propensity for turning everything in your life into a political question. That and denunciations over argumentation. Then, of course, there is the embrace of antisemitism and calling it something else.
ReplyDeleteYou can fool some of the people some of time,...
join the club! http://magaimg.net/img/1jwe.jpg
ReplyDeleteTwo thoughts:
ReplyDelete1) If the primary two years from now comes down to Cory Booker and John Delaney, would you want to be forced to the sidelines?
2) I try to live according to something Joe Lieberman said in a speech he once gave along the lines of , "Try to let you principles guide your politics rather than let your politics guide your principles." Applying that to our situation, one of our principles is to support Israel and to side with Israel against Palestinianist lies. This will affect our politics in that we support those to do likewise and denounce those who stand with Palestinianist lies against Israel. The issue becomes what are our principles on political topics that do not affect Israel. Do we develop our principles on those issues internally and base our politics on the combination of those issues and Israel or do outsource our thinking on those issues to whatever predominates among those who support presently Israel?
And how can anyone trust the credibility of those who file suit to end the protection of those with health preconditions and claim that they intend to preserve those protections?
DeleteI can respect you if you present a logical argument for what the cost is of protecting those with preconditions and why those cost are too great. I cannot respect support for ending such protections under the pretense of preserving them. It is also possible to be pro-Israel and support protecting preexisting conditions, but recognize that you can only vote for one or the other.
Another point is that the Democratic Party is not monolithic. While it is the party of Ocasio-Cortez, it is also the party of Ted Deutsch and Robert Menendez. As of now, there are more Democrats who are staunch Israel supporters than there are Republicans who support my domestic priorities. Given that, a Congress with a small Democratic majority would have a solid pro-Israel majority between the vast majority of Republicans and non-trivial minority of Democrats who solidly support Israel.
If the Dems win, what lessons will they take from the current election cycle?
DeleteThis is also something to be considered. Also, what will the party accomplish in the next two years? Endless investigations? Maxine Waters and Adam Schiff heading committees. It's starting to look like the UN HRC.
If I were to go by their behavior the past two years and only that, they deserve to be crushed. Or to put it in milder terms, they need a time out.
Let's make it an even 50.
ReplyDeleteDave Rubin talks with Tucker Carlson
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nMTW_TKzaMw
Clarifying.
Tucker is the best on TV. Hands down! And he has The Alan (Dershowitz, get it: "The Alan" kinda like "The Donald") on all the time
DeleteI have a hard time coming to terms with your very weird electoral system, but please enlighten me as to why you have to register your voting intentions?
ReplyDeleteWhy have a polling day?
Good question.
DeleteWe register with a particular party in order to vote in the primaries, and choose a nominee for the general election.
(In a few states, however, they have open primaries, so anyone can cross over and vote in another party's primary.)
I switched from Democratic to Unaffiliated in the last election. However, this prevents me from voting in primaries. Maybe I'll become Republican.