Wednesday, December 11, 2019

A note to an old college friend

Michael Lumish

So, you support Sanders.

Do you understand that Sanders is not considered a friend of either the Jewish people or the state of Israel... by, y'know, most Jews. I am very familiar with the ongoing discussion among Jews who care about the Jewish people and Sanders is not well-liked.

He is hostile toward Israel and even brought antisemitic anti-Zionist, Linda Sarsour, into his campaign as a representative.

As for "far right talking points" I am liberal.

I marched against the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan.

I support Gay rights and a woman's right to choose an abortion.

I support a tax code that favors the middle-class and the poor.

You write:

<"There's been mostly white people at every Bernie rally I've ever been to.">

What's your point? Of course, there has mainly been "white" people at Bernie rallies. This does not negate the fact of anti-white racism as a central feature of progressive-left politics.

This is not a "right-wing" perspective.

It is simply a matter of acknowledging the obvious.

You write:

<"For hardcore Zionists it seems that anyone critical of the Israeli government's policies and actions towards the Palestinians is, BOOM, automatically, an anti-Semite...">

How do you distinguish a "hardcore Zionist" from a Jew who supports Jewish self-determination and self-defense on historically Jewish land?

Do you think that Jews who support the well-being of our brothers and sisters in Israel are "hardcore Zionists"?

Is any Japanese person who believes in Japanese self-determination and self-defense on Japanese land a "hardcore Japanese nationalist"?

How about the French?

From there you launch into a diatribe that is something akin to the "blood libel" wherein you discuss how brutal and murderous "Zionists" are.

<"1,492 civilians brutally killed during protective edge or the teams of Israeli snipers shooting thousands of unarmed protesters at the wall in Gaza, killing hundreds including paramedics and journalists.">

You know nothing of the conflict.

I remember you as a good guy, but you know zero about the Long Arab War Against the Jews in the Middle East and seem to think that Israeli Jews are something akin to evil.

This is, by the way, a very sort-of nineteenth-century imperial outlook which sees "people of color" as merely innocent victims who have no agency in the world.

This is a perfect example of how "progressives" -- who are not liberal, btw -- treat those of non-European descent as children.

I find it racist, as hell, frankly.

The fact of the matter, of course, is that the Jews of the Middle East lived under the boot of Arab and Muslim imperial rule for thirteen long centuries.

We were not allowed to ride horses, only donkeys.

We were not allowed to marry Muslim women or build housing in higher geographical locations than Muslims.

Cursing "the prophet" meant death.

In some places, we were not even allowed to go out in the rain lest our filth washed into the streets and contaminated our neighbors.

And we had to pay protection money, the jizya, in order to live in our own communities.

Furthermore, Ilhan Omar and Rashida Tlaib and Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez are not "critical" of Israeli policies. They are antisemitic anti-Zionists who want Israel eliminated as the national homeland of the Jewish people. They are not working for social justice but against it.

These people are not liberals. They are something much more akin to fascists and they are all very protective of political Islam which targets Jews for death.

I know that you mean well, and I do not mean to give you a hard time, but I do not think that you are very well educated on this subject.

51 comments:

  1. "For hardcore Zionists it seems that anyone critical of the Israeli government's policies and actions towards the Palestinians is, BOOM, automatically, an anti-Semite..."
    - some peacock Mike knows

    The Palestinian Cause's goal is the eradication of the Jewish State and its replacement in its entirety with an Arab State. It is, BOOM, antisemitic.

    The Palestinian cause is NOT a human rights cause, but a political program for the eradication of Jewish sovereign rights and independence in the land of Israel. It is, BOOM, antisemitic.

    The Palestinians, even though there has never ever been such a state as Palestine or nationality such as the Palestinian people, deny the historical, biblical, and national history of the Jewish people in that land, and deny the Jewish connection to Jerusalem, even though Jews have been in that land for well over 3,000 years continuously. And that connection is, BOOM, well documented. This denial of Jewish history is, BOOM, antisemitic.

    Palestinian government policy toward Israel and its Jewish inhabitants consists of, BOOM, antisemitic indoctrination programs from cradle to grave, and the Palestinian government helps many into early graves by encouraging their people to give up their lives committing, BOOM, murderous atrocities against Jewish civilians. Palestinian policies toward the Jewish People include firing rockets (BOOM) at non-violent civilians, shooting them, knifing them, blowing them up in suicide attacks, running them over, attacking them with axes, slitting the throats of children asleep in bed, shooting civilian families driving their children home from school. Standing up and defending such a program is to defend, BOOM, antisemites and, BOOM, antisemitism.

    Palestinians make the incredible claim that they, and not the Jews, are the original inhabitants of the land. They indoctrinate first their own people, the Arab World and gullible, guilty and uninformed Westerners of this nonsense which flies straight in the face of history. Every one of them or their ancestors migrated to Palestine and all of them found that Jews were already living there. And their dream is to eradicate the Jews from this indigenous land once again to keep it in the Arab/Muslim colonial fold. "Palestine" is a colonial name. To marry oneself to that identity exclusively is to marry oneself to a historically colonial project.

    Israel has the most moral army in the world. However many "innocent" Palestinians you claim have been killed by the Israeli military, you can bet that far many more would have died facing any other military in the world under similar circumstances. This is not an opinion. It is a checkable fact. Israeli military rules are progressive, and probably too much so to assure long term deterrence of Arab aggression toward the Jews. And that's what Gaza is: aggression toward the Jews. Try reading the history of the Jews and that of the Arabs to get a feel for the ways these two peoples go about problem solving. lol

    The Palestinian cause isn't interested in upholding international law. Its interest is in painting the Jewish state as outlaw so the world will forget the law and allow for the lawlessness necessary for its murder. It is a cause built on lies. And it is evil. So spare us your blood libels and stupid race theories. Arabs historically have been, BOOM, colonial masters of the region ruling over Jews and others, not their victims.

    To defend the Palestinian cause is to defend a monumentally antisemitic project.

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    1. There is no such thing as international law anyway, beyond conventions and agreements that countries voluntarily enter into. The whole point of having a sovereign nation is to live by your own laws. Jews are an "internationally" extremely unpopular minority, the last thing we should want is some international body making laws to govern our lives.

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  2. "1,492 civilians brutally killed during protective edge ..."

    You could also point him to the manifest of those 1,492 "civilians" comparing each individual to lists of known terrorist affiliates. I believe that was produced by the Meir Amit Intelligence and Terrorism Information Center. One thing about that list is that absent a picture in the uniform of a particular group, no individual was classified as a terrorist, so there are no grounds to challenge the numbers.

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    1. People who believe this blood libel crap are thoughtless trendies who don't want to do their homework. They are doing the economical thing - go along to get along. We must create prohibitive costs they won't be so ready to pay to believe such unscrupulous nonsense put out by authoritarian serial human rights abusers such as Hamas.

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  3. Some thoughts on double standards

    Ask your local Leftist antisemitic anti-Zionist how Jews could ever be full citizens in an Arab controlled Palestine, since the Palestinians claim to be a Nation completely separate from the Jews. This would automatically make Jews 2nd class citizens in a "Palestinian" State under the rules the left is claiming for "between the river and the sea." Of course, under the Left's definition Jews could never have really been full citizens of any of the European States the left claims the Jews are "really" from. For example, they could't really be Poles, because they are not ethnic Poles nor are they Catholic. They could only be citizens with no real national rights according to rules of current Leftist anti-Zionist dogma, unless we stipulate that this so-called anti-Zionism is really just a form of antisemitism. Of course, the PLO and their Western puppets on the Left and at the New York Times are fond of claiming the the Jews are just a religious group and nothing more. But the example above shows rather conclusively otherwise. Jews and ethnic Poles were quite different communities sharing a country named after only one of them.

    I am open to remarks.

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  4. Singers Lily Allen, Paloma Faith and Jade Thirlwall (right),
    Game of Thrones actress Maisie Williams, comedian John Bishop and even Hollywood star Danny DeVito have also urged Britain to make Mr Corbyn the next PM

    Make the UK Jew hating again.

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    1. It's curious, this appeal of authoritarians to people who claim to be the most progressive. How do we explain this? Is it an infantile tantrum against the well-off? I'm sure the list you've supplied is of people who don't exactly have trouble paying the bills. So there seems a bit of hypocrisy and sanctimony. Oh boy, what a yummy combo, eh?
      Want to cure the world's problems? Just go to any acting school. They'll tell you everything you'll need to know in order to save "the planet."

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    2. It appears British Jews voted strategically against Labour which has had it's poorest showing since 1935 and should mean the end of Corbyn. Would American Jews would do the same against the antisemitic Dems.

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    3. The problem with this comparison is that these leftist Dems are pitted against a controversial Trump. This is not the year to ask for a change in voting patterns.

      If it were any other president doing the things that Trump did, it would have been applauded by American Jews. That says that Trump will never get the credit for it--and his personality is the reason. So the choice is not one many of us can stomach--either vote for the "businessman" or for a party with SOME antisemites (not ALL the Dems are antisemitic, but we have to keep our eye on those who are). Let's revisit this topic about changing voting patterns when this time passes and people nominate those we can fully support.

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  5. I do not really understand how Sanders can make a statement condemning antisemitism and have antisemites (Sarsour et al) in his campaign. Of course, if he were a Republican, he would be pressured to fire them.

    But of course he is a leftist and can get away with it...

    As usual, you hit the target. Unfortunately, the cycle continues. And it didn't start in 2016; it started in 2008 (and the warnings may have come as early as 1992). When we started being unwilling to assume that the other side might have a perfectly good point of view, we got Obama and then Trump. I'm hoping that we only have to put up with four more years of the garbage and then we can clean up the mess.

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    1. Stephen Miller has not been fired.

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    2. Stephen Miller is a notorious White Nationalist Nazi racist of Jewish extraction engaged to a colored girl. Trump is the most antisemitic President in US history that moved embassy to Jerusalem and recognized Golan. He also has Jewish grandchildren, and just issued an executive order that will stifle honest debate about Zionist crimes on campuses. I can't wait for a Progressive Democrat to finally replace those racist antisemitic pieces of filth.

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    3. Hitler's family's doctor was Jewish, so what? And I doubt you know Katie Waldman's ethnicity because she hasn't publicly disclosed it. In any event, defending Stephen Miller's obvious white nationalism tells me all I need to know.

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    4. Hey, who hijacked my comment? I don't think I said anything about Stephen Miller. Watch where you reply.

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    5. You said Democrats let racists get away with things that Republicans do not. I said Republicans do let racists get away with it. Either you want Sarsour and Miller both gone or neither fired. You can't choose one and not the other. I think they should both be shown the door, how about you?

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    6. Yes, I would hope that the racists and antisemites in both parties should be "shown the door." I did not realize that you were referring to someone specific in the Republican party.

      But I think that Sanders cannot have it both ways. He can't claim to be against antisemitism and have antisemites in his campaign.

      I hope this clarifies my position.

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    7. Joseph, since you brought up Stephen Miller, could you provide any evidence of him being a white nationalist?
      His wife, Katie Waldman, is multiracial.

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    8. He is an arch conservative, which makes him a white supremacist to some, just as Trump allegedly is, because they hate them. It takes their projection to make the leap. Sarsour, on the other hand, has expressly shown her bigotry, in words and deeds. Miller may not like some people, but Sarsour hates. Haters of Miller cannot distinguish and that's sad.

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    10. Glick's op-ed provides better context and illustrates the hatred at work.

      https://www.israelhayom.com/opinions/why-american-jews-slander-president-trump/

      This explains why the knee-jerk response is "Stephen Miller." Then there's no need to address the actual threat to Jews and the discrimination they experience at the hands of non-white supremacist causes. Who knows what Miller actually is (unlike Sarsour). He's a diversion.

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    11. Do you follow the actual news or only Faux news? https://www.splcenter.org/stephen-miller-breitbart-emails
      Vdare, in case you didn't know, is a virulently anti-semitic website.

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    12. OK, he's against massive third world and Muslim immigration (you have to be out of your mind to be Jewish and in favor of Muslim immigration, just look at Europe). Some white nationalist supposedly likes him (David Duke likes Ilhan Omar, so what). I don't see anything antisemitic. Do you really think third worlders and Muslims are your allies?

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    13. If you are simply going to deny the obvious there is nothing more to say. Go enjoy vdare.

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    14. Joseph,
      You think that the SPLC is a news organization? Hilarious! It bills itself as some sort of watch dog group, but in reality it is a left wing activist organization with boatloads of money and plenty of bias and slant in its analyses. Yet you proudly link to it. It seems that it is you who don't know the difference between fake and real news. Perhaps it's time for you to stop lecturing. SPLC and the hard Left generally do the body politic no favors by exaggerating a White Supremacist threat to the country. The US is not about to go white supremacist - not even close. There is, however, a problem with Sarsour, AOC, Tlaib, and the little Somalian thing sucking the life out of a once great political party and replacing it with something rather unsavory. Communist shitheads.

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    15. Read Miller's emails. That they were released to SPLC is not the point, the emails are.


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    16. Read Stephen Miller's emails? Yeah, right. I'll make it my #1 priority. lol

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    17. I briefly looked at your link, there is a lot to wade through there, could you post a couple of his most incriminating emails here so we can judge for ourselves?

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    18. McHugh, Oct. 23, 2015, 6:10 p.m. ET: “This being the worst hurricane ever recorded, what are the chances it wreaks destruction on Mexico and drives a mass migration to the U.S. border?”

      Miller, Oct. 23, 2015, 6:12 p.m. ET: “100 percent. And they will all get TPS. And all the ones here will get TPS too. That needs to be the weekend's BIG story. TPS is everything.”

      McHugh, Oct. 23, 2015, 6:22 p.m. ET: “Wow. Ok. Is there precedent for this?”

      Miller, Oct. 23, 2015, 6:31 p.m. ET: [VDARE link]

      The VDARE story by Steve Sailer, an anti-immigration activist who traffics in discredited race science, focused on instances in which the United States offered refugees temporary protected status. The article was posted the same day Miller shared it with McHugh. Vdare is a disgustingly anti-semitic site. That Miller cites that place tells me all I need to know.


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    19. So the most damning thing you have as proof is a link to VDARE. Never heard of the site but went there today. Nothing obviously antisemitic at a cursory glance, but they have Mark Levin and Michelle Malkin (she's Philippino and her husband is Jewish) as contributors. There are other contributors with Jewish names. Notorious Richard Spencer has one article. So OK, site hosts some unsavory people, but Stormfront it is not. By that standard YouTube and Facebook are antisemitic cesspools.

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    20. This is insane. Vdare is a notorious site. To say that it is anything else reveals a stunning lack of knowledge. To keep saying I haven't proven anything is either meant as a joke or is just sophistry. I might just as well say that Abbas is a good friend of the Jews and you can't prove otherwise.

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    21. Joseph,
      Are you saying that Mark Levin is a notorious antisemite?
      Are you saying the SPLC is not slanted and always above board/objective?
      You began by calling out oldschooltwentysix for allegedly not knowing the difference between real vs. fake news, whereupon you introduced SPLCenter into the conversation, I guess, as some sort of example as a solid source for news. It has been said that generally SPLC regards anyone to its right as a hate group.
      You are again here hijacking a conversation.
      Did you read the Caroline Glick article which was an effort to answer your allegations?
      Is Bernie Sanders a friend to Israel and the Jewish People? Are his fellow travelers?
      Or are you here to accuse anyone to the right of the SPLC of being a white supremacist?

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    22. To show Miller a bogeyman who linked to an extreme site, use a link to an extreme site. Talk about the pot calling the kettle black!

      SPLC is the far more dangerous link and organization. Not to mention its egregious finances and claims of workplace racism and harassment that stretch back decades, while some cite to it to point fingers at others. Woke=ignorant!

      https://www.al.com/news/2019/03/claims-of-workplace-racism-harassment-stretch-back-decades-at-southern-poverty-law-center.html

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    23. Rather than deflect with projections about the importance of Stephen Miller, perhaps better to address the Corbynization of Democrats.

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  6. Perhaps a referral to "The Case for Israel," book or movie, would have greater practical effect, especially when dealing with ignorance.

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  7. For more than 1,300 years, Jews who lived under Moslem rule were not permitted to build new synagogues, nor were they even permitted to repair old synagogues –- except by paying bribes to Moslem officials, in addition to paying the special tax that all non-Muslims were forced to pay, to punish them for not being Muslims: the jizya tax.

    Jews who lived under Moslem rule were not permitted to testify against Moslems in court.

    Under Moslem rule, if a Jew converted to Islam, then he would become his father’s only heir; all of his brothers and sisters would become automatically and completely disinherited.

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    Rabbi Ovadiah of Bartenura wrote
    (in a letter to his father in year 1488 August 15):


    “Jews in Muslim lands make themselves appear poor.

    They go about like an impoverished, despised people,
    with their heads bowed before Muslims.”

    SOURCE: Pathway to Jerusalem: the Travel Letters of Rabbi Ovadiah of Bartenura (page 40) written between 1488 CE and 1490 CE during his journey to the Holy Land, translated by Yaakov Dovid Shulman, year 1992 CE, 93 pages, CIS Publishers, Lakewood, New Jersey, ISBN 1-56062-130-3

    QUICK BIOGRAPHY NOTE: Rabbi Ovadiah of Bartenura’s commentary on the Mishnah is still studied very often, by Orthodox Jews, even in our times.

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  8. Harvard Law Professor Alan M. Dershowitz said:

    “Indeed, the only nation subjected to the so-called
    BDS movement is the nation-state of the Jewish people.

    When only Muslim states were subject to the Trump administration’s travel ban, the Left was outraged.

    Why is there no similar outrage at subjecting
    only the nation-state of the Jewish people to BDS?

    Many of those who most loudly support boycotting Israel demand that we end boycotts of: Cuba, Iran, North Korea, and other tyrannical regimes. How can they justify this double standard?”

    SOURCE: Defending Israel (chapter 10, page 153)
    by Alan M. Dershowitz, year 2019, All Points Books,
    ISBN-10: 1250179963 * ISBN-13: 978-1250179968

    BOTTOM LINE: Jews are the only people who are not
    allowed to have their own country, no matter how small.

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  9. Peter Tatchell, a supporter of BDS,
    said this in year 2015:


    “While I oppose Israel’s occupation, I find it strange that some people condemn Israel while remaining silent about these other equally or more oppressive occupations.

    Many of Israel’s critics are also silent about neighboring Arab dictatorships.

    And where are the protests and calls for boycotts against the tyrannies of: Saudi Arabia, Iran, Burma, Zimbabwe, North Korea, Uzbekistan, Bahrain, Syria and elsewhere?

    Why the double standard?”

    SOURCE: Defending Israel (chapter 10, page 153)
    by Alan M. Dershowitz, year 2019, All Points Books,
    ISBN-10: 1250179963 * ISBN-13: 978-1250179968

    BOTTOM LINE: Jews are the only people who are not
    allowed to have their own country, no matter how small.

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    1. I just used your line as a response on FB. I hope you don't mind.

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    2. Use away Jeff. It's a meme I picked up somewhere, don't know where but it deserves to be spread because it deflates one of the nastiest accusations ever against a man who is Israel's best friend.

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  11. David Harris (CEO of American Jewish Committee) said:

    “Moreover, most of the intimidating and bullying acts
    of anti-Semitism on college campuses have come from
    those aligned with the extreme left.”

    SOURCE: New York Times Tilt on Trump
    Anti-Semitism Story Hints at Influence of Repeated
    Poor Judgment
    by Ira Stoll, 2019/12/15
    https://www.algemeiner.com/2019/12/15/new-york-times-tilt-on-trump-antisemitism-story-hints-at-influence-of-repeated-poor-judgment-editor/

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  12. Suffice it to say, Vdare and SPLC both suck for different reasons. My guess is there are far more leftist/faux Liberal antisemites than white nationalists AND the leftists have more political power (eg the Squad and all their fanboys and girls.)

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    1. And I think that's kind of the main point around here. No one dis-acknowledges the history of right wing antisemitism. Of course, anti-jewish prejudice runs through the spectrum. We talk about activists pushing that prejudice into political discourse and policy - antisemitism. And it is being mainstreamed at this point in history by the Left. So-called anti-Zionism is now the gateway drug, and as a doctrine, has been well-developed almost in its entirety by the Left. The radical Right begins with Jew hatred and then attempts to justify it, the Left works it more insidiously claiming itself to be the engine of everyone's liberation and then introducing old antisemitic tropes as the barrier to liberation.

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    2. Sad it needs to be pointed out. Interested to hear what is being done by Democrats to address the antisemitism of its members, including elected officials, much like Labour in the UK, before insinuations of white supremacy commence against others.

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  13. Bernie Sanders: Trump is a terrible human being; Ilhan Omar is wonderful. Bernie is senile.

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    1. Bernie's a millionaire.

      And that makes an even 50 comments. ;0)

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  14. Can you believe Blackface Trudeau?

    https://civicrm.unwatch.org/civicrm/mailing/view?reset=1&id=1240

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