Thursday, August 6, 2015

A "Statement of Interest"

Michael L.

gazamanI find myself increasingly curious about this tussle between the PA-PLO and the Manhattan federal court.  Eric Tucker has an article in the Times of Israel in which he records the response of the victims to the possibility that the Obama Justice Department might intervene on behalf of the murderers of Americans.

According to attorney for the prosecution, Kent Yalowitz, "The Palestinians got a fair trial. The judgment was foreseeable, and they can afford to pay it over time.”

Indeed.  But what if they simply do not want to?  Given the fact that these heinous murderers have lost the trial the judge has required that they post bond pending appeal and, thus far, they have failed to do so.

In response to inquries concerning a possible US government "statement of interest" in the case, the Justice and State departments put out a joint statement:
“While we cannot comment on the substance of any possible filing, any filing would be a statement of the interests of the United States and not on behalf of the PA or any other party."
This is essentially a lie.  If the US government intervenes it will be on behalf of an Obama administration ally, the PA-PLO.  To suggest that bolstering the well-being of a terrorist organization that relishes the murder of Americans is in the interest of Americans is both irrational and mendacious.

In a letter to Attorney General Loretta Lynch the plaintiffs requested that the government stay out of the matter:
“It causes us great pain to know that our Government might attempt to undermine the judgment in our case without taking into account the very real ability of the PLO and the PA to pay the judgment over time and stand accountable for their crimes,” the letter states.
There must come a point wherein clarity begins to prevail.

The truth is that the PA-PLO is an enemy to the Jewish people, an enemy to the Israeli people, and an enemy of the United States and the West.  They danced in the streets when the World Trade Center came down in Manhattan.  While we were mourning our dead they were handing out candy to their children and rejoicing in the comeuppance of the Great Satan.

{I lost one of my neighbors growing up that day.}

Furthermore, and perhaps more importantly, the PA-PLO is entirely counterproductive to the national self-interests of Americans, Israelis, and the entire western world.  It was ex-US president Jimmy Carter that initially bolstered the career of PLO chieftain Yassir Arafat and we've been stuck with these guys ever since and they certainly are not helping anything.

How is it possibly in the best interest of the American people to support an organization that calls for the murder of Jews and Americans?  What kind of honest cooperation can we possibly expect from a group that names schools and public squares after the murderers of innocent civilians?

It is long past time for the US government to acknowledge the fact that the Oslo "peace process" is over.  It is done and it is now time to move on.

In my opinion, at this point the US should stay out of Israeli affairs vis-à-vis the internal Arab problem.  (Happy, Shirlee? )  Siding with terrorists against Jews - which seems to be an Obama administration forté - only makes things worse, but one would think that would be obvious.

If the US files a "statement of interest" on behalf of the PA-PLO it will do so this coming Monday, August 10.

I wonder, if it does so, will consistent American Jewish supporters of this president, such as Volleyboy1, continue their support?

The willingness to acknowledge a mistake is a sign of character.  While I have no character whatsoever, I am willing to acknowledge the mistake that I made when I voted for Barack Obama in 2008.  It was a mistake on my part and I was wrong to have made it.

I am pleased to discover that my old acquaintance, fizziks, from the Daily Kos "glory days," seems to have drawn similar conclusions.  In a piece entitled, I Was Wrong. On The Biggest Issue of Our Time, he writes:
There you have it.  I was wrong back then.  The biggest threat was not that we would over-react to terrorism.  It turned out that we would seriously under-react to terrorism, and begin the process of equivocating about it, and therefore ultimately surrendering to it.
I was wrong, as well.  I also concerned myself more, after 9/11, with potential American overreaction to political Islam, rather than with the rise of political Islam, itself.

Many of us made that mistake, but not everyone has the integrity of fizziks to acknowledge that mistake in public.

If the US intervenes in this lawsuit on behalf of the PA-PLO then it means we unquestionably have a government, under Barack Obama, that favors the enemies of Jews and the enemies of Americans.

Progressives and Democrats can justify it anyway they like, but that is the bottom line.


  1. If the Obama administration intervenes then several things will occur by default:

    1 - The PLO becomes de jure a recognized sovereign nation since the Obama administration's legal context is one of sovereign immunity - eg. you can't sue a nation that doesn't allow you to sue them.

    2 - The very idea that you can sue terrorists in an American court becomes moot. And this includes anyone the government scoops up to prosecute as well. By definition all one needs to assert is that they represent a 'nation' and legal framework goes out the window. The Numberberg war trials can never happen again, at least not under the direction of the US.

    3 - The basic underpinnings of having a reliable system of laws and jurisprudence administered fairly by an unbiased branch of the government and not under executive control is gone. Not only have the very laws themselves been put hostage to whatever the administration deems is adequate foreign policy, but the notion that the executive branch and not the court system itself of the body of final appeal.

    Welcome to your third world dictatorship and have a nice day.

    1. I must agree with you, Trudy, that other branches and institutions government are being held hostage for the sake of this administration's foreign policy goals. Obama does seem to me to have a streak of third worldish dictatorlyness about his personage, if you know what I mean.

      re: "This is essentially a lie."
      As you would say, yup. The manner in which State Department spokespeople lie gives me the willies. It's really quite chilling to watch someone assertively and boldly make a statement which flies against reality.

    2. Jeff,

      I never thought that I could disdain an American president more than I did W, but there it is.

      I was fairly comfortable with Bill Clinton, actually. I mean, the guy had his flaws, but it certainly seemed that we were heading in the right direction after 12 years of Reagan-Bush. And then along came George W. with his Cowboy Diplomacy and that stupid fake-landing on the aircraft carrier Abraham Lincoln with the giant Mission Accomplished sign in the background, striding out in an airforce uniform.

      I am sorry to my Republican and conservative friends, but that was just disgusting.

      But Bush, despite all his flaws, at least acknowledged that there is such a thing as Islamic terrorism.

      The Obama administration, however, is a total disgrace.

      Any US administration that favors the Brotherhood is bad news.

      One would have to be a true muttonhead not to see it.

  2. The PLO are barbaric murderous scumbag pigs.

    "On March 11, 2011, five members of the Fogel family were killed in their home by Palestinian terrorists from the Awad family. Hakim Awad led the attack, killing the parents, Ehud and Ruth, and three of their children, aged 11, four and two months.
    From the day Awad was arrested the PA rewarded him with a monthly salary, which eventually will reach $3,000 a month, four times the average Palestinian civil servant’s salary. Official PA TV then invited his mother and aunt to talk on the PA TV program dedicated to honoring and sending greetings to imprisoned terrorists. They referred to Awad and his accomplices as “heroes” and Hakim Awad himself was called “the hero, the legend.” The PA TV host added: “We, for our part, also convey our greetings to them.”

    Anyone who supports the bastards deserves a quick trip to Hell. F**k the PLO.

    1. Schlissel, the ultra-Orthodox slasher and murderer of the Jerusalem gay pride parade, was apparently a member of the anti-Zionist Neteura Carta. I will be very disappointed if the PA does not give him a similar pension to support his and their loyal service. /sarc