Wednesday, November 18, 2015

A question for the Palestinians

Sar Shalom

Amir Taheri has a response up at Mosaic Magazine to Daniel Polisar's article about what the Palestinians believe and desire. Taheri concludes with this question for the Palestinians:
Which would you prefer: (1) to see a Palestinian state on the map? (2) to see Israel wiped off the map?
I would like to modify that question to make clear what the preferences are:
Which would you prefer: (1) for a Palestinian state to emerge on some portion of the West Bank that ends all claims against Israel thus allowing for Israel to exist in perpetuity? (2) for Martians to conquer the entirety from "the river to the sea" which effect the elimination of Israel from the map along with any chance for a Palestinian state to emerge?


  1. To help me answer that, could you explain what you're getting at?

  2. What did Ted Bundy want and why do you care?

  3. Here's my question to the Palestinians: why don't you make something of the billions the UN and rich Muslims hand you?

  4. Replies
    1. A subgroup of the Arab umma invented in the 20th century.

  5. If operating from the presumption that the end of Israel necessarily means the emergence of a Palestinian state, then the supporters of their attempts to eliminate Israel can claim "no, no, no, we don't have any nihilist opposition to Israel, we just want the Palestinians to gain their right to a state..." What my formulation does is it breaks that presumption. If they choose option 2 of my formulation, then supporting them can only be nihilistic opposition to Israel. If they claim to choose option 1, we can then ask, "why did you reject Barak's offer, why did you reject Olmert's offer?" Their international support depends on maintaining ambiguity on the question and on obfuscating their true objectives.

  6. It's no more relevant to care about than it is to take seriously Obama's near daily claims that he has a deep and fundamental understanding of what drives, angers and motivates ISIS. It's simply not real or relevant. 'palestinians', whatever they claim they want, do what they actually do, good, bad or neutral. If you ask them 'do you want to stand atop a burning pile of corpses?' They say yes of course. If you ask them 'do you want a country?' They say, 'as long as it's built atop a flaming pile of corpses, sure!'. Either answer is equally meaningless.

  7. 5 Jews killed today alone by Palestinians. I think I know all I need to know.

  8. "The mother of a Palestinian terrorist who stabbed to death two Israeli men in Tel Aviv on Thursday said she was proud of his actions. “My son is a source of pride for Hebron and Palestine,” the woman told Hamas television. ..."


  9. Who are Palestinians anyway? Is there any unbiased source explaining their origins and history? There are different competing claims, probably untrustworthy because of politics. Are they descendants of original inhabitants (ex. Samaritans, I've heard that claim for Nablus), Muslim Crypto Jews (there was a video claiming that), Arab tribes from 7th century, guest workers from 20th, Ottoman refugees from 19th?
    I remember being surprised back in the 90s watching Jericho on TV, these people looked Sudanese. Hamas official claimed Gazans are from Egypt and Saudi.
    Were there any genetic studies, with breakdown by locality, religion, etc?

    1. A Palestinian=an Arab who just hates the Jews more than other Arabs

    2. In the minds of many western-progressives a "Palestinian" is an Arab with every right to murder Jews.

  10. "“Why is it that on June 4th 1967 I was a Jordanian and overnight I became a Palestinian?”
    “We did not particularly mind Jordanian rule. The teaching of the destruction of Israel was a definite part of the curriculum, but we considered ourselves Jordanian until the Jews returned to Jerusalem. Then all of the sudden we were Palestinians - they removed the star from the Jordanian flag and all at once we had a Palestinian flag”.
    “When I finally realized the lies and myths I was taught, it is my duty as a righteous person to speak out”. Walid Shoebat, a former PLO terrorist

  11. " Professor Rafi Israeli from the Hebrew University of Jerusalem notes the absurdity in the link that the Palestinians have tried to create with the ancient Canaanites.12

    “The early origins of the Arabs who came to this country are in the Arabian peninsula….The first ones came from there. Now they are standing on their heads. Instead of saying that they are Arabs who immigrated to Canaan and turned it into a Muslim country, they have rendered themselves indigenous Canaanites.”

    “Even their Arab surnames give clear clues that they immigrated here. In Umm al-Fahm, there are four large clans who originated in Egypt. In the Old City of Jerusalem, one can find the Moroccan Quarter, which was home to Muslims who came from North Africa, the Maghreb, and settled in the Land of Israel.”

    “Furthermore, the Ottoman Empire transferred populations from place to place in order to tighten its control over those areas….[T]ake, for example, the Circassians, Muslims who were brought here from the Caucasus.”

    “The Palestinians don’t really have roots here. They know this very well, so they are trying to invent origins for themselves. Whenever you offer historic or archaeological criticism of this nonsense, learned scholars the world over immediately insist that you ‘respect the narrative.’ It doesn’t matter one bit to them whether there is historical truth there. If we do not debunk this, it will be accepted as fact. If you repeat a lie thousands of times, it eventually becomes accepted as true, so we mustn’t keep quiet.”13
    - See more at:

    1. Erekat wants Palestine as a nation state of Canaanite people :) Then they should adopt their native Canaanite language (hint, it wasn't Hijazi Arabic).
      Canaanites must have preserved their identity for centuries, never become hated Yahood, and then instantly dropped it for Islam and Arabic.
      Are all of them Egyptians and Arab tribesmen then?
      What happened to the natives?
      Samaritans were the majority in the 4th century (there were a million of them).
      Jews were still a sizable minority until the Crusades. Did they leave no decendants?

    2. Heya guys,

      the thing that people need to understand is that the Palestinians are a nation with a secret history.

      We all know that the Palestinians are the indigenous people to the Land of Palestine and have been for 37,000 years... or thereabouts.

      Didn't Abbas say something about the Palestinians being the "masters" of history, or something along those lines? I believe that he did.

      The genius of Palestinian historiography is in the pristine manner in which they have managed to keep their own history entirely secret from the rest of us.

      There are no other people who have managed to do so.

    3. I liked Sar Sholom's comment about them maintaining ambiguity to obscure their true intentions. Ambiguity and obscurantism are hallmarks of the Palestinian Movement. This extends to their supposed history as a people, as is attested to in the comments above by Jacob and Doodad.
      To believe this nonsense one must take the word of Erekat, an Arab from an immigrant family that he is the descendant of "Arab Canaanites" and "Jebusite Arabs," (as if there were any such things), who disappeared from history for millennia and then reappeared as "Palestinians."

      Arabs, Arabic, Arab culture, and Islam are not indigenous to Israel. This is still true even if you choose to call it Palestine.