Wednesday, May 9, 2018

No, he did not go against having a two-state solution

Sar Shalom

In the denunciations of Mahmoud Abbas from corners where he had been accustomed to being allowed to get away with anything, such as from the EU and the western punditocracy, a common refrain was that Abbas' ascribing centuries of pogroms against the Jews of Europe to Jews bringing it upon themselves contradicted his commitment to a "two-state" solution. However, his speech does nothing of the sort. Nothing that Abbas said stands in opposition to having two states in the southwest Levant. That is, there is nothing which contradicts dividing the territory into an Arab state and a bi-national state.

Herein lies the problem with talk about two states. When westerners talk about two states, they take it as a given that one of those states will be the current Jewish state of Israel, albeit on less territory. However, the Palestinians exploit that assumption by going along with "two states," but without saying explicitly what the second state, after the Arab state, will be. Meanwhile, Abbas categorically refuses to recognize Israel as a Jewish state and resists any compromise on the right of return, both consistent with a strategy to turn the second state into a bi-nation state.

What we need to do is to be explicit about our non-negotiable demands. We insist that when all is said and done, there will remain a Jewish state. Talk of "two states" without saying anything about either of those states must not be allowed to be a substitute.

14 comments:

  1. What does it matter what he says or not or what is printed about it in English vs Arabic? We're talking about the PLO and the EU here.

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    1. What Abbas says isn't that important. What matters is all the westerners who mindlessly say "two states" without any care as to how Abbas interprets "two states." Abbas can be ignored. The multitudes of westerners spouting "two states" can only be ignored as much as you can ignore an alligator lying across a street you wish to cross.

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  2. Yes and no. It's marginally valuable to the extent that those voices have any real power. But how much is there, really. In the last month the IDF successfully turned back violent mobs from Gaza with upwards of 40 killed. And yet 'the voices' have been rather muted with the usual exceptions. Similarly the IAF has launched more than 100 strikes against forces in Syria including most recently, 20 different strikes against the combined forces of Syria, Hezbollah and the IRGC with hardly a peep from anyone you'd think would be tearing out their pink hair extensions. The US embassy is moving to Jerusalem as are, it was announced, the embassies of a half dozen more countries. And still the Choir of Retards has been mostly silent.

    "Two States" is dead. It was always dead. It was stillborn. Every day more and more people are publicly admitting it. The people who resist the most are the bureaucrats whose jobs depend on propping up that myth for their own sake and the sake of their careers. For all their caterwauling, the countries who complained about the US cutting aid to the UN and to the PLO haven't stepped up to make up the gap as the promised they would. They sound positively Arab with their bald lies. The Saudis themselves are telling the PLO to change their ways or suffer the fate of being swept from history.

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  3. In 1922, the British Mandate for Palestine
    included all of the lands that are now:
    Israel, the West Bank, Gaza, and Jordan.

    The entire British Mandate for Palestine
    was originally intended to become a homeland
    for the Jews, but because of Arab complaints,
    78% of Palestine became the Arab nation of Jordan,
    and only 22% of Palestine became the Jewish
    nation of Israel.

    That was the original “Two State Solution”
    that 99.9% of the world has forgotten about,
    including Jews.

    The Palestinians already have a
    “Two State Solution and their own
    country: It is called JORDAN.

    In 1970, Yassir Arafat’s Palestine Liberation
    Organization (PLO) attempted to take control
    of Jordan, because they recognized that Jordan
    is Palestine.

    In 1978, Shimon Peres told Menachem Begin:
    "Jordan is also Palestine".
    www.timesofisrael.com/jordan-is-also-palestine-peres-once-told-begin/

    For many years, the Catholic Church refused
    to recognize both Israel and Jordan, because
    both countries are the Biblical “Holy Land”.

    President Ronald Reagan said this in year 1980:

    “Israel and Jordan are the two Palestinian states
    envisioned and authorized by the United Nations.
    Jordan is now recognized in some 80 per cent
    of the old territory of Palestine…”
    SOURCE:
    http://daphneanson.blogspot.com/2017/09/david-singer-king-abdullahs.html

    CONCLUSION:
    The Palestinians already have a state:
    It is called Jordan.
    Jordan is more than three times the size of Israel.

    www.timesofisrael.com/jordan-is-also-palestine-peres-once-told-begin/

    http://blogs.timesofisrael.com/jordan-is-palestine/

    www.jns.org/opinion/jordan-as-palestine-a-paradigm-shift-for-a-two-state-solution/

    www.algemeiner.com/2017/10/16/the-jordan-is-palestine-conference-why-i-agreed-to-participate/

    Evil Logic Explained
    (why many people like the "Two State Solution"):

    http://shilohmusings.blogspot.com/2016/03/guest-post-evil-logic-explained.html

    www.jns.org/opinion/why-does-ronald-lauder-want-israel-to-be-only-nine-miles-wide/

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  4. "Hamas scare videos warn Israelis 'We'll break through the border and reach all the way to your communities, and we will not die alone.'"

    https://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-5259351,00.html

    They are death craving lunatics. And the left worships them.

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  5. Sar Shalom writes:

    When westerners talk about two states, they take it as a given that one of those states will be the current Jewish state of Israel, albeit on less territory. However, the Palestinians exploit that assumption by going along with "two states," but without saying explicitly what the second state, after the Arab state, will be.

    That is right.

    I believe that we need an Israeli leadership that is willing to sit down with the Euros and the Democrats and say, "no."

    Israel needs to take power into its own hands as much as it can because ceding power to hostile forces - like Fatah and the UN and the EU - is entirely counterproductive.

    The power that Israel relinquishes is used against itself and its own people in the never-ending Arab and Muslim war against the Jews of the Middle East.

    If anything has been proven over the last 80 years, it is that the Palestinian-Arabs, and their backers, have no intention of concluding the genocidal hostility toward the Jews in their midst.

    This being the case, the only possible "solution" will have to be unilateral.

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    1. The Euros need to be told to stop funding lies.
      For all the mass hysteria over Russian interference in an American election, the Europeans dwarf it with their infiltration and brazen attempts to interfere with Israeli politics and policy.

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  6. When the international community seems to think that it is a universal human right to storm and invade a sovereign nation's borders, that community has lost the moral right to be part of any "solution." Instead they become terrorist supporters and are part of the problem.

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  7. ZERO Democrats attended the opening of the American Embassy in Jerusalem. I think we all know why.

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    1. It's a disgrace. It is a true kick in the head to the most loyal voting bloc that the Democratic Party has.

      Not a single Democratic Congressman was in attendance, neither from the House nor the Senate.

      That says a lot, but I bet it STILL will not prevent Jews from voting Democratic and helping to finance the party.

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    2. There are many reasons why

      They take a lot of money from Arab and Muslim interests
      They sympathize with anyone who's anti Israel no matter who they are
      They sympathize with anyone who's opposed to anything this administration supports
      They are anti Israeli
      They are antisemites
      The party told them they'd lose all support if they went

      Israel is not a Democratic party thing except in the negative. Sorry but that's reality. The DNC will openly call for the complete break of all relations with Israel, as well as a boycott of the country and an expulsion of all Israelis from the US by the national convention in 2020. Jews who wish to remain in the Democratic party will not be allowed to have any positive support of Israel And it's questionable whether these democratic Jews will be allowed to push back against antisemitism inside the party or out at all. This is the party of people like Linda Sarsour, the nation of Islam, ANTIFA and such now. It really is. And it's not a question of if they return to power but when. When they do, there will be old timey pogroms in America. It will start slowly and politely. A UC college here or there will stop admitting Jews, a cable news channel will quietly let most of their Jewish staff go. A burnt out shul here, a riot there. A quiet invocation of Jewish quotas. And of course the party itself will purge itself of not only Jews but old white people. etc.

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    3. "The DNC will openly call for the complete break of all relations with Israel, as well as a boycott of the country and an expulsion of all Israelis from the US by the national convention in 2020."
      Trudy, that's two years from now. Come on.
      The same shit they're throwing at the Jews and Israel is the same as they've been throwing for centuries. Times may get rough but we shall prevail. The anti-Jewish left will eventually go down in flames. The Democratic Party is building another embarrassing legacy for itself.
      People will no longer speak of southern bigots but of coastal bigots. Leftist professors in the social sciences and ME history departments will be purged. Antifa leaders will be roasted on a spit by the rank and file. They will use Sweet Baby Ray's Barbecue sauce for its tangy flavor.

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  8. Family of suicide bombers target 3 churches,
    murdering Christians as they prayed

    by Alex Horton, 2018 May 14, The Washington Post:

    www.jewishworldreview.com/0518/suicide_bomber_family.php3

    The Palestinians' Real 'Nakba' (Arabic for 'Catastrophe')
    by Jeff Jacoby, 2018 May 14:

    http://jewishworldreview.com/jeff/jacoby051418.php3

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    1. That WAPO story is incredible.

      Thanks, man.

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