Israel Thrives: Ron Paul, Glen Greenwald and dKos, Oh My!

Sunday, January 8, 2012

Ron Paul, Glen Greenwald and dKos, Oh My!

Doodad

Over at dKos there is some pretty hot and heavy discussion going on about Ron Paul and why not? The guy's a scumbag and the antithesis to all things progressive. What is interesting is how most Kossacks are fuming about Glen Greenwald's take on Paul. Greenwald is no Paul lover but he has defended the guy and many of his positions.

One fine Kossack hits a home run when it comes to Greenwald's cadre of followers.

"(5+ / 0-) Recommended by: BlueStateRedhead, askew, foufou, SaintC, fcvaguy
I've never seen a fever swamp of left wing anti-Semitism like I've seen in the comments threads of a Glenn Greenwald post on Israel. All sorts of accusations of "Secret control" of Washington by hidden cabals, hidden money, AIPAC puppetry, etc. Claptrap about how politicians really don't want to support Israel, but hidden "powerful forces" make them. It's 1920s Henry Ford Protocols of Zion conspiracy theories about how hidden global Jews control America for Israel. Ugly, ugly stuff. While the American liberalism has about 2% crazed bigots, compared to the American Right driven by about 60-70% crazed racism and bigotry (in my opinion), there are no false equivalencies. But we do have bigots on the left, and Greenwald's toxic spew on Israel attracts them like flies. No surprise they gravitate to the left's version of Ron Paul, just as Klan types did to Ron Paul in the 90s.

by WinSmith on Sun Jan 08, 2012 at 10:20:11 AM PST [ Parent ]"

Naturally, along comes another Kossack to defend Greenwald and offer up the "you will be called an antisemite if you merely criticize Israel, " canard. Another antisemite apologist runs the halls of dKos.

"Greenwald is rational about Isreal (2+ / 0-) which is why he is called "anti-Semitic." Anybody who criticizes Israel, or the unfair sway it has over American politics is routinely called "anti-Semitic," even if it is a Jew who is doing the criticizing. And calling someone "anti-Semitic" in this context is beneath contempt, intellectually bankrupt, and downright scummy. This sort of name calling is probably what hide ratings were invented for. I don't believe in censoring even people who comment out of their butts, but maybe somebody else won't share my liberal attitude on this.

by recontext on Sun Jan 08, 2012 at 12:19:03 PM PST [ Parent ] "

The bottom line is this. If you want to find antisemites you can go to a fascist right wing guy like Paul or a Progressive like Greenwald. Or you can go to dKos and find, not a lot, but way too many, apologists for both. The fact that almost all of the very few replies to WinSmith's expose of Greenwald's antisemitism were in defense of the swine speaks for itself.

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Mike L.January 8, 2012 at 9:50 PM
Y'know, Doodad,

I liked Greenwald back in the day.

It seems to me that the failure of Jewish progressives like Greenwald or, say, Amy Goodman, is in the swallowing of left ideology over reality.

Let's continue to talk about just how that is, eh?

:O)
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Mike L.January 9, 2012 at 8:06 AM
"left ideology over reality." I like that. Pretty apt actually.
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Mike L.January 9, 2012 at 8:17 AM
Doodad,

I apologize for writing to Karmafish on this post that was posted by you. I just wanted to write this (previous) comment of mine on a recent post that I thought was related to what I wrote in this (previous) comment of mine, and I thought that this post was such a post.

Good post.
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Mike L.January 9, 2012 at 9:46 AM
Dan, you post anywhere you want anytime you want! You are family as far as I am concerned!
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Mike L.January 9, 2012 at 10:13 AM
Doodad,

Thank you very much. I appreciate it very much.

Also, I just want to confess:

I didn't notice that this post was by you before I posted my comment, and I didn't really read (fully read) this post before I posted my comment. I jumped the gun. I'm overwhelmed (largely because of my OCD, or largely by my OCD - and also because of the situation), and I'm anxious to express my understanding about the situation.
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Mike L.January 9, 2012 at 11:37 AM
We understand about your OCD. I personally have a few friends and relatives who suffer from it.

What matters is that we hear from you! You add to our discussion and we appreciate it.
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Mike L.January 9, 2012 at 1:14 PM
I agree 100 percent.
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Barack Obama on the so-called "Arab Spring" (May 19, 2011):

"There are times in the course of history when the actions of ordinary citizens spark movements for change because they speak to a longing for freedom that has been building up for years. In America, think of the defiance of those patriots in Boston who refused to pay taxes to a King, or the dignity of Rosa Parks as she sat courageously in her seat."

The "Arab Spring" was the brutal rise of political Islam in the Middle East and this is what Obama compares the Civil Rights Movement to?

How's that for a kick in the head to Martin Luther King, Jr.?

The Fundamental Argument:

The progressive movement, and the activist base of the Democratic Party, creates and supports venues that demonize and defame the Jewish state, thereby also creating hatred toward the Jewish people.

Such venues include political journals, such as, but not limited to, Daily Kos, the Huffington Post, and the UK Guardian, numerous universities throughout the United States and Europe, various NGOs with an anti-Israel agenda, and the entire progressive-left movement to boycott, divest from, and sanction (BDS) the Jewish people of the state of Israel.

These venues and organizations do not generally criticize Israel, but dehumanize that country.

For this reason, among others, the progressive movement, and the activist base of the Democratic Party, undermines the well-being and safety of Jews around the world, sometimes resulting in violence toward us.

Therefore, as a matter of common sense and basic human decency, Jews should leave the progressive movement and the Democratic Party as we seek to build alternative political structures that are not home to toxic anti-Semitic anti-Zionists, who would see us robbed of self-determination and self-defense.

What You Can't Discuss:

This is a partial list of taboo topics within progressive-left venues around the Arab-Israel conflict. You cannot discuss this material because it undermines the "Palestinian narrative" of perpetual victimhood. This narrative is a club used by the Arab and Muslim enemies of Israel, along with their western progressive allies, to delegitimize that country in preparation for its eventual dissolution.

1) The centuries of Jewish dhimmitude under the boot of Islamic imperialism.

2) The recent construction of Palestinian identity, its connection to Soviet Cold War politics, and how this is an Arab people with a Roman name that refers to Greeks.

3) Arab and Palestinian Koranically-based racism as the fundamental source of the conflict.

4) The ways in which contemporary progressive anti-Zionism serves as a cloak for gross anti-Semitism.

5) The Palestinian theft and appropriation of Jewish history.

6) "Pallywood."

7) The historical connections between the Nazis, the Muslim Brotherhood, and the Palestinian national movement.

8) The perpetual refusal of the Palestinian-Arabs to accept a state for themselves in peace next to the Jewish one.

9) The progressive portrayal of terrorists as those fighting a righteous war of "resistance."

10) The Arab-Palestinian indoctrination of children with Jew hatred.

11) Human rights violations against women, children, and Gay people in the Muslim Middle East.

12) The fact that violent Jihadis call themselves "Jihadis" and claim to love death above life.

This is only a partial list, so please let us know the many more that we are missing.

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Sunday, January 8, 2012

Ron Paul, Glen Greenwald and dKos, Oh My!

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