Monday, January 26, 2015

So, Where is the Argument?

Michael L.

{Originally posted at the Elder of Ziyon.}

Those of you who follow my writings or Jon Haber's blog, Divestthis!, know that we have been conversing about Israel, the western-left, and the Obama administration for a number of months.

I don't want to call it a debate so much as a conversation between people with somewhat differing views, but with mutual concerns.  A list of each of our contributions can be found toward the top of the right side bar at Israel Thrives.

My fundamental argument is that the Obama administration validated political Islam through supporting the Muslim Brotherhood, which is the parent organization of both Qaeda and Hamas and if not a parent organization of the Islamic State, certainly an ideological partner in praying for the extinction of Jewish sovereignty and self-defense.

While Jon agrees that I am not a political partisan, and we both understand that partisanship is not automatically a reprehensible thing, he also acknowledges that the Obama administration has been far too friendly to the enemies of the Jewish people.

In his recent piece entitled Partisanship, Haber writes:
But there is no disagreement that the current President’s choices: from cutting endless slack to Islamist foes of both Israel and the US to picking needless fights with the Israeli government, make it a perfectly reasonable choice for Jews who support Israel (which describes the majority of us) to refuse to vote for him.
According to Haber, Obama gave "endless slack to Islamist foes."

At this point it becomes difficult to know where we actually disagree.

At the end of the day, that is my fundamental point.  It is my thesis in a nutshell, although we would need to determine just where slack ended and support began?

Jon, however, takes issue with the fact that I have sometimes characterized progressive-left Jews as people with their heads buried in the sand.

Image Hosted by ImageShack.usI must admit that Jon is correct and that I have resorted to my favorite ostrich image more than once.

I did so particularly in my Failures of the Progressive-Left Zionism series.

In those writings, I criticized the Jewish Left for refusing to seriously denounce political Islam.

I criticized the Jewish Left for demonizing their fellow Jews who live where neither Mahmoud Abbas, nor Barack Obama, want them to live.

I criticized the Jewish Left for constantly playing political defense, which is always an invitation for aggressors and a general sign of insecurity within one's own beliefs.

I criticized the Jewish Left for tending to support their enemies over their friends out of a misguided and self-righteous political altruism.

These are not in-depth pieces, but merely pointers to problems.  That is all.

And, in truth, there are other reasonable criticisms that I am not even bothering with for the moment on the assumption that liberal Jews, such as myself, are rethinking - just as we are all continually rethinking - as political sands shift.

My only real discomfort with Jon's analysis is that he chalks up Jewish American support for Barack Obama, despite Obama's alliance with the Muslim Brotherhood, to the fact that American Jews preferred Obama over his opponent on a broad range of issues beyond the Arab-Israel conflict.

While this is clearly true, why be content to leave it at that?

Haber writes:
Jews (like all Americans) were not casting a vote on each and every issue of importance to them, but were rather making a narrow choice between two individuals.  And had the Republican candidate been more appealing in ways having nothing to do with Israel and the Middle East (as was Ronald Reagan in 1980 and 1984), who knows how the Jewish vote might have gone?

Even if I don’t expect to ever see a total party realignment of the Jewish public, I think it’s safe to say that the majority of Jews voted for Obama for the same reasons the majority of Americans did: they liked him better than the other guy. 
We know that the Obama administration supported the Muslim Brotherhood in a variety of ways, including material and financial support.  We also know that the Muslim Brotherhood is the parent organization of both Hamas and al-Qaeda, if not the Islamic State, itself.  The Brotherhood backed the Nazis during World War II and assisted many Nazis and friends of Nazis, such as Haj Mohammed Amin el-Husseini, in escaping the consequences of their behavior upon the conclusion of that war.  In recent years Brotherhood leader, and ex-President of Egypt, Muhammad Morsi, supported calls for the conquest of Jerusalem among throngs of his supporters, both before and after his "election" and still maintained Obama administration support.

I do not know about you, but as someone who voted for Obama the first time around, I was absolutely horrified.

There is no question that Jon is correct when he notes that the majority of American Jews simply liked Obama more than the other guy.  I, too, like Obama - as a guy to have a beer with - more than that other guy.  Furthermore, on many domestic issues I very much prefer the Democratic agenda over that of the Republican agenda.

But however much I support a woman's right to choose an abortion, or however much I like Obama's idea for federal support to community college students, none of that can possibly outweigh my concern for the fact that there are 6 million Jews in the Middle East surrounded by 400 million Arabs who generally do not want them there and are often prepared to use extreme violence to make their case.

This is what I cannot get past.

The chance of any Republican administration in the United States rolling back abortion rights are virtually nil, yet such concerns are supposed to trump our concern for our own families in Israel?

I do not think so.

It seems to me that diaspora Jewry, as a group, tends to be very good about looking out for the well-being of others.  For example, no other group in American history, aside from the Black American community, stood up more for Civil Rights during the 1950s and the 1960s than did Jewish Americans... although, I am not certain that you would learn this from the recent film Selma, which I am very much looking forward to renting.

In the United States, the Jewish people were almost universally behind abolitionism and nineteenth-century American progressivism, with its workers' solidarity and early union activity.  By inordinate percentages Jews favored women's rights to suffrage, the New Deal, the Civil Rights Movement, the Anti-War Movement, Women's Rights, GBLT, environmentalism, and the rights of all ethnic minorities to equal treatment under the law.

We are among the most persecuted people within record human history and this is precisely why we tend to support movements for social justice.


There must come a point wherein a violent and ongoing threat to the Jewish community becomes a primary concern.

My question is this:
In what ways do Obama administration support for political Islam, via support for the Muslim Brotherhood, advance the interests of either the American people or the Jewish people?


  1. Mike - it seems that one of your ongoing themes is about how the "Jewish Community" refuses to stand up for itself in the face of danger.

    Well, for you and your Bay Area readers I might mention that there are TWO excellent Krav Maga Schools with multiple locations here. Krav Maga Xtreme or KMX (Berkeley and Marin) as it is known and the Krav Maga Institute (KMI - Oakland, SF, and Santa Clara) are both top flight places to learn KM and train to protect both yourself and your loved ones.

    In addition, IZDAN Security (which runs with KMI) does a number of "Tactical Shooting" classes for both Pistols and Rifles, where they train under the auspices of professionals from both here at home (the U.S.) and Israeli Special Forces. I have taken their classes and they are excellent!

    Finally, KMI in Santa Clara runs "CQB" (Close Quarters Battle) classes using "Airsoft" BB Guns in home environments supervised with two members of MARSOC (U.S. Marines Special Forces Operations) who have personal experience in with this.

    These are just some of the resources available to folks to train, stay fit, and learn how to protect themselves and their loved ones using a martial art that was created specifically in response the Nazi threat.

    We would love to have you come out and train with us. And if you are worried about age... ALL ages are welcome! We have guys that are in their 60's who are still doing fight class (and who are pretty tough as well).

    1. Heya VB,

      thanks for dropping in.

      I would recommend to any of you guys who have young children to get them trained in something like Krav Maga.

      Given our small numbers we need to use what means are available to protect ourselves.

      Volleyboy1 has been practicing for a number of years and would, as he says, be happy to train with any who would like to join in the fun.

      I just think that we, as a people, need to be better prepared, not just physically, but in the rational arguments for Jewish sovereignty of historically Jewish land.

      VB and I may disagree on some of the specifics around the conflict - and we've butted heads in the past - but we both want to see a secure and democratic Jewish state of Israel.

    2. This is right Mike when you say: "VB and I may disagree on some of the specifics around the conflict - and we've butted heads in the past - but we both want to see a secure and democratic Jewish state of Israel."

      That said, I think it is important that Jewish people (and really anyone but this blog focuses on Israel and the rights of Jewish people) learn self defense in these times. Hopefully no one ever has to use it. But in times it comes in handy and I have used it to save myself from grievous injury once (not in a fight although I had to use it there once too).

      Anyway, as I said either school is great, and there are a ton of programs for everyone from kids to seniors. I would be happy to pass along links to those who are interested.

      So if you know people or you yourself would like to at least learn the basics let me know, and we can make that happen. The more people doing Krav the better. Here is an article I wrote about my experiences with Krav in the Times of Israel.

    3. Let me also add please that it's not really just for kids, and in fact kids do a very "cut back version" of Krav. I personally think Taekwando or KungFu are better for kids because they tend to be more based on movement and discipline.Krav is a bit more destructive. It is built on hurting your opponent and getting out. There is kiddie Krav Maga but you have to be really careful with it.

      HOWEVER, it is great for teens (around 16 and up) and adults. It is real world. IF folks don't like the contact, then the ITPS or CQB stuff can teach you how to defend your homes. Having had an intruder in our home I cannot tell you how important that can be (he didn't do anything but it was still scary).

    4. Unfortunately, these days, I can definitely see a need for our kids to learn these skills much younger than we'd like to think they should have to.

    5. You know Jay... I think I have to disagree her and here is why... Krav depends on striking and disabling an opponent. Kids often don't have the judgement when or more important when not to use this. All the things we learn are designed to do maximum damage.

      On the other hand more Martial Arts like Kung Fu are geared towards discipline and levels of attack (at least that is what friends tell me). They still teach kids how to defend themselves, but just in a different manner. I am very careful with Krav Maga in our house and don't teach the kids real striking, just basic punches and kicks.

      Krav is a weapon and it is like a gun in that it provides maximum power if used correctly. So... like a gun, use should be extremely judicious. I am not sure kids have that judgement.

    6. Concur. I was mainly speaking about self-defense tactics in general.