Israel Thrives: Trying To Engage British Methodists on Human Rights

Saturday, July 14, 2012

Trying To Engage British Methodists on Human Rights

geoffff

Or should I say Clerical Antizionists?

Anyway don't waste your time

I left this on this blog a few hours ago

G’day Richard Hall,

Will you try please to help me with this horrible on going human rights violation on a massive scale I am trying in our feeble human way to do something about?

I know this is a strange appeal from the other side of the world but I have looked at your blog and thought that in some sort of way you could do something..

http://geofffff.blogspot.com.au/2012/07/taking-on-clerical-antizionism.html

Please help with perhaps one of the great moral dilemmas of our day. The surrender of a whole nation to …

....

The reply?

You guessed it.

Here it is

geoffff 07.14.12 at 8:52 am

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Forget it, “geoffff”

UPDATE!

I'm sorry Richard that you feel that way. I'm an Aussie!
I know the songs are pretty weak but the game is sufferable.

If you want a serious and informed public discussion on this subject then you are welcome at my blog. In any event I'm about to post this there.
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geoffffJuly 14, 2012 3:08 AM
And this

Also I forgot to mention I'm a Woody Guthrie fan from way back! There's a point of contact.

Anyway last chance Richard. Do you want a civil discussion on these core moral subjects that has attracted so much of the attention of you and your denomination? Or not?
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And since?

Well nothing really.

Anyway I'm still here if they want to say something or hear another point of view. I doubt it though. My guess is that these people would prefer to regard these attempts at dialogue as something else.

FURTHER UPDATE!

British Humour!

Dennis Levene 07.14.12 at 12:16 pm: Hope you’ve got Happy Joyous Hanukkah on JMG Records (2007)
4 Richard 07.14.12 at 12:34 pm: I’m afraid I don’t.
5 Kim 07.14.12 at 1:47 pm: In a fit of pedagogical masochism, I visited geofffff’s — sorry, geofff’s — website, where I discovered a laudatory reference to Melanie Phillips. I guess this is the same Mad Mel who wrote the Islamophilic Londonistan, sensitively likens gay relationships to bestiality, learnedly denies anthropogenic climate change, and lovingly longs to see the back of Rowan Williams. I think we’re at the orc-end of the blogosphere here, folks.
6 Richard 07.14.12 at 1:58 pm: I don’t think there’s much to be gained by engaging. Life is too short.
7 Kim 07.14.12 at 2:19 pm: That’s what gets me, Richard: some folk come here not to engage but to vandalise the place. Heigh-ho — it’s a pity, really.
8 Richard 07.14.12 at 4:56 pm: It is a pity. I’ll talk to anyone, no matter how much I disagree with them, if a measure of civility and goodwill can be assumed. But that would be a very unsafe assumption in this instance.

A measure of civility?

It is a pity. He would like to engage.

But I'm an orc . Therefore I might say something rude.

LAST UPDATE

cross posted Geoffff's Joint Bar Grill

6 comments:

Mike L.July 14, 2012 at 1:27 PM
What strikes me as most obvious is the attempt to delegitimize you merely because there is a reference to Melanie Phillips on your blog.

This is the way that ideologues function, because it spares them from having to actually think about what you are saying. Instead of considering ideas they can just say, "Oh, well, you have a reference to this person or that other person so therefore we don't need to bother even considering your point of view."

I see this constantly on places like Daily Kos.

It's an intellectually dishonest mode of non-argumentation.

Although, I have to say, it is unclear to me, Geoffff, what the heart of the dispute is.

Also, I would recommend that you consider writing your pieces in HTML mode. It comes out much, much cleaner, if you know what I mean. FYI.
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geoffffJuly 14, 2012 at 10:03 PM
Thanks for the tip Mike
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Barack Obama on the so-called "Arab Spring" (May 19, 2011):

"There are times in the course of history when the actions of ordinary citizens spark movements for change because they speak to a longing for freedom that has been building up for years. In America, think of the defiance of those patriots in Boston who refused to pay taxes to a King, or the dignity of Rosa Parks as she sat courageously in her seat."

The "Arab Spring" was the brutal rise of political Islam in the Middle East and this is what Obama compares the Civil Rights Movement to?

How's that for a kick in the head to Martin Luther King, Jr.?

The Fundamental Argument:

The progressive movement, and the activist base of the Democratic Party, creates and supports venues that demonize and defame the Jewish state, thereby also creating hatred toward the Jewish people.

Such venues include political journals, such as, but not limited to, Daily Kos, the Huffington Post, and the UK Guardian, numerous universities throughout the United States and Europe, various NGOs with an anti-Israel agenda, and the entire progressive-left movement to boycott, divest from, and sanction (BDS) the Jewish people of the state of Israel.

These venues and organizations do not generally criticize Israel, but dehumanize that country.

For this reason, among others, the progressive movement, and the activist base of the Democratic Party, undermines the well-being and safety of Jews around the world, sometimes resulting in violence toward us.

Therefore, as a matter of common sense and basic human decency, Jews should leave the progressive movement and the Democratic Party as we seek to build alternative political structures that are not home to toxic anti-Semitic anti-Zionists, who would see us robbed of self-determination and self-defense.

What You Can't Discuss:

This is a partial list of taboo topics within progressive-left venues around the Arab-Israel conflict. You cannot discuss this material because it undermines the "Palestinian narrative" of perpetual victimhood. This narrative is a club used by the Arab and Muslim enemies of Israel, along with their western progressive allies, to delegitimize that country in preparation for its eventual dissolution.

1) The centuries of Jewish dhimmitude under the boot of Islamic imperialism.

2) The recent construction of Palestinian identity, its connection to Soviet Cold War politics, and how this is an Arab people with a Roman name that refers to Greeks.

3) Arab and Palestinian Koranically-based racism as the fundamental source of the conflict.

4) The ways in which contemporary progressive anti-Zionism serves as a cloak for gross anti-Semitism.

5) The Palestinian theft and appropriation of Jewish history.

6) "Pallywood."

7) The historical connections between the Nazis, the Muslim Brotherhood, and the Palestinian national movement.

8) The perpetual refusal of the Palestinian-Arabs to accept a state for themselves in peace next to the Jewish one.

9) The progressive portrayal of terrorists as those fighting a righteous war of "resistance."

10) The Arab-Palestinian indoctrination of children with Jew hatred.

11) Human rights violations against women, children, and Gay people in the Muslim Middle East.

12) The fact that violent Jihadis call themselves "Jihadis" and claim to love death above life.

This is only a partial list, so please let us know the many more that we are missing.

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