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This is a comment I just put on the blog of this Anglican cleric; well known to the gutsy veterans of the Marrickville Council outrage. Read what he has to say about Al Quds, Palestinians and Israel. I will not quote him because I doubt it can be believed unless seen.
Could it be possible that this man seriously does not know that Iran continues to threaten the obliteration of Israel and the genocide of the Jews and that this is the express and shouted position of Hamas, Hezbollah, Muslim Brotherhood and every Jihadist jerk off across the planet ? Does he really have no knowledge of the genocidal antisemitic propaganda, unmatched since the Nazi era, that pours out of Iran, Syria, Egypt and Islamic countries and across the world? Does he honestly not know that the Palestinians have formally rejected the two state solution and that Oslo was a fraud all along?
That the only "Israel" that even the "moderates" have said they would accept is some kind of rump "state" that does not even have sovereignty over its own population and borders?
Is he deaf? Where has he been for the last 45 years? In a cave on Mars with his fingers in his ears and a blindfold on?
Here is my response.
It defies belief that a savagely anti-Israel activist with a pedigree as long as yours seriously has no idea what
Al Quds Day is about. I am tempted to say I don't believe you. But then I read this:
"I readily accepted the offer as I feel that there is no group of people in the world today who have suffered so brutally as have the Palestinians people in this generation. Indeed, I take every opportunity I can to express my concern for their suffering and my prayers for an end to the 45-year-long Occupation of their land."
I see
Not
Pol Pot (Cambodia, 1975-79) 1,700,000
Kim Il Sung (North Korea, 1948-94) 1.6 million (purges and concentration camps)
Menghistu (Ethiopia, 1975-78) 1,500,000
Yakubu Gowon (Biafra, 1967-1970) 1,000,000
Leonid Brezhnev (Afghanistan, 1979-1982) 900,000
Jean Kambanda (Rwanda, 1994) 800,000
Saddam Hussein (Iran 1980-1990 and Kurdistan 1987-88) 600,000
Tito (Yugoslavia, 1945-1987) 570,000
Sukarno (Communists 1965-66) 500,000
Jonas Savimbi (Angola, 1975-2002) 400,000
Mullah Omar - Taliban (Afghanistan, 1986-2001) 400,000
Idi Amin (Uganda, 1969-1979) 300,000
Yahya Khan (Pakistan, 1970-71) 300,000 (Bangladesh)
Mobutu Sese Seko (Zaire, 1965-97) 300,000?
Charles Taylor (Liberia, 1989-1996) 220,000
Foday Sankoh (Sierra Leone, 1991-2000) 200,000
Suharto (Aceh, East Timor, New Guinea, 1975-98) 200,000
Ho Chi Min (Vietnam, 1953-56) 200,000
Michel Micombero (Burundi, 1972) 150,000
Slobodan Milosevic (Yugoslavia, 1992-99) 100,000
Hassan Turabi (Sudan, 1989-1999) 100,000
Jean-Bedel Bokassa (Centrafrica, 1966-79) 200 000 ?
Efrain Rios Montt (Guatemala, 1982-83) 70,000
Papa Doc Duvalier (Haiti, 1957-71) 60,000
Rafael Trujillo (Dominican Republic, 1930-61) 50,000
Hissene Habre (Chad, 1982-1990) 40,000
Pol Pot (Cambodia, 1975-79) 1,700,000
Kim Il Sung (North Korea, 1948-94) 1.6 million (purges and concentration camps)
Menghistu (Ethiopia, 1975-78) 1,500,000
Yakubu Gowon (Biafra, 1967-1970) 1,000,000
Leonid Brezhnev (Afghanistan, 1979-1982) 900,000
Jean Kambanda (Rwanda, 1994) 800,000
Saddam Hussein (Iran 1980-1990 and Kurdistan 1987-88) 600,000
Tito (Yugoslavia, 1945-1987) 570,000
Sukarno (Communists 1965-66) 500,000
Jonas Savimbi (Angola, 1975-2002) 400,000
Mullah Omar - Taliban (Afghanistan, 1986-2001) 400,000
Idi Amin (Uganda, 1969-1979) 300,000
Yahya Khan (Pakistan, 1970-71) 300,000 (Bangladesh)
Mobutu Sese Seko (Zaire, 1965-97) 200,000?
Charles Taylor (Liberia, 1989-1996) 220,000
Foday Sankoh (Sierra Leone, 1991-2000) 200,000
Suharto (Aceh, East Timor, New Guinea, 1975-98) 200,000
Ho Chi Min (Vietnam, 1953-56) 200,000
Michel Micombero (Burundi, 1972) 150,000
Slobodan Milosevic (Yugoslavia, 1992-99) 100,000
Hassan Turabi (Sudan, 1989-1999) 100,000
Jean-Bedel Bokassa (Centrafrica, 1966-79) 250 000?
Efrain Rios Montt (Guatemala, 1982-83) 70,000
Papa Doc Duvalier (Haiti, 1957-71) 60,000
Rafael Trujillo (Dominican Republic, 1930-61) 50,000
Hissene Habre (Chad, 1982-1990) 40,000
Syria (again) 30 000 and rising
Not them
No, the "Palestinian people" ruled by Hamas, Fatah, IJ and the other murder gangs get the "victim hood" prize as far as you are concerned.
Anybody who is capable of saying that is capable of saying anything.
"I also read the Ayatollah’s Al Quds speech, and it was indeed an angry response to the crimes of violence that he saw Israel perpetrating at the time."
You really should try reading a book.
Clerical antizionism, (especially the disgraceful Christian versions) with its obsessive focus on Israel and the Jews and its haste to swallow whole even the foulest and most cynically dishonest slanders and blood libels without any self reflection whatsoever, is the most sinister political development of our time.
I am an Australian of seven generations and I have no hesitation in denouncing your views as unAustralian. In any event its time to stop being polite to people like you. We have seen enough Christians like you before.
How sad to see you back
Perhaps you might benefit from some reflection of the type you so incessantly urge on others.
I run a political blog. I suggest you visit it and its links. It's possible you might learn something.
In the meantime I will be taking issue with you and your colleagues there. Christians are too important and this matter has become too critical for us all for this to be left to the likes of Sizer and you.
So here is my question for this man of faith and the cloth.
Why do you not use your good offices with your Palestinian and Islamic brothers and sisters to persuade them with all the might you have to accept the Jewish state, accept Palestine, accept peace and to raise their children in security and love?
hat tip Shirlee
hat tip Shirlee
cross posted Geoffff's Joint
Psssttt..the post was doubled.
ReplyDeleteAnd your comment at the cleric's site seems to be gone. Big surprise, I know.
DeleteGeoffrey
DeleteI don't need to know the name of the person of whom you speak. I know him only too well.
I sat through a number of his speeches at Marrickville.
I couldn't believe my ears the first time I heard him
Was this a man of G-d? Surely not. A Man of G-d, no matter what his personal beliefs were, would stand up and utter such hatred.
I think I have finally managed to clean this post up. Sheesh. Sorry.
ReplyDeleteI agree Shirl. There is something pretty perverse going on here. I can perhaps barely tolerate clerical antizionism when it is confined to odd fringe groups like the Quakers. After all who knows what else they believe?
Once it gets to mainstream denominations like the good old C of E it is time to speak out. I have some old friends who are prominent Anglicans in the Australian branch of the church. I believe I owe it to them to say as clearly as I can what I think of these people.
All I really know of the Quakers is that they're responsible for some of the most beautiful early architecture in Philadelphia (and hence, some of the most beautiful architecture, period, in all of North America! - the question I'm now determined to answer is why we wholeheartedly adopted the communists' architecture, in all of its brutalist, soul-crushing, anti-human, agoraphobia-inducing hideousness, at the very same time we were fighting them in the Cold War?), but aside from that all I know is that terrorist lovers like Sandra Tamari claim to be "peace-loving" Quakers, while advocating for the violent destruction of the world's sole Jewish state. Which can only come about via genocide.
DeleteAnyway. Yeah. What's going on these days?
I've explained this before. What's happening now is what happened eighty years ago.
DeleteThe following perverse false narrative was believed in Western countries in the 1930's (it really was):
"The Jews are Evil and Powerful; and The Evil and Powerful Jews control the government of the United States of America; and The Evil Powerful Jews are mongering for war against the wronged maligned Noble Beatific Germans who are nobly redeveloping their own nation."
The following perverse false narrative has been, and is being, unanimously propagated in, and is widely believed in, Western countries at the present time (it really is):
"The Jews are Evil and Powerful; and the Evil Powerful Jews stole the land of, and are persecuting, the Noble Beatific 'Palestinian' Arabs; and the Evil Powerful Jews control the government of the United States of America; and the government of the United States of America is supporting the Evil Powerful Jews; and the Noble Beatific 'Palestinian' Arabs are being justly avenged by the Noble Savage Muslim Warriors."
This is really what's happening. I think that the reason that most Jewish people don't see this is that they see who they themselves are and they see who their own people are and they know that, of course, they and their own people are not evil, but they don't realize that most people in Western countries (culturally Christian-European -- Christian and formerly Christian -- countries) are ignorant about the reality of who Jewish people are, and most Jewish people are ignorant (I think largely willfully ignorant) about (and, as part of that, in denial about) the deep-seated anti-Jewish bigotry that is part of Western culture (culturally Christian-European -- Christian and formerly Christian -- culture) and, since the propagation of anti-Jewish bigotry has been so widespread and normal in the societies that most Jewish people have lived in for hundreds of years, most Jewish people don't understand that anti-Jewish anti-Israeli lies are what's being unanimously propagated by the Western mass media and are what have been, and what are being, propagated by the members of the governments of Western countries, including, most importantly, but most "subtly" (though not actually subtle), the government of the United States of America, and most Jewish people not aware of the effect of all of this on how non-Jewish people in Western countries view the nation of the Jewish people, and most Jewish people are not aware of the effect of all of this on how non-Jewish people in Western countries view the people who are engaged in an intendedly genocidal war of intended extermination against the Jewish people and who are being excused and whitewashed and glorified by the Western mass media and by Western governments and by Western academics.
In the 1930's the Western world, as a whole, supported the Nazi regime of Germany. This fact has been whitewashed from the teaching of history. The members of the governing social class (the industrialist and financier and governing political classes) of the U.S. supported and financed the Nazi regime of Germany in the 1930's (and, btw, financed the "eugenics" movement in the early 1900's). The Nazi regime of Germany hosted the international Summer Olympics in 1936. Time magazine named Adolf Hitler "Man of the Year" in 1938. The government of the United States of America didn't oppose the Nazi regime of Germany until Germany-allied Japan attacked Pearl Harbor in 1941, approximately two years after the beginning of World War II. The reason that, in the 1930's, the Western world, as a whole, supported the Nazi regime of Germany is because, in the 1920's, the European racist intendedly genocidal hate-inciting propaganda anti-Jewish fictional book "The Protocols of the Elders of Zion" was widely disseminated in Western countries and was widely believed in Western countries, including by members of the governments of Western countries; and because, in the 1930's, the narrative propagated by "The Protocols of the Elders of Zion" was further propagated by the Nazi regime of Germany.
DeleteHarvard's Nazi Ties, by Stephen H. Norwood, American Jewish academic scholar
http://www.wymaninstitute.org/articles/2004-11-harvard.php
"When I began researching how the American academic community responded to the Nazi persecution of the Jews in the 1930s, I expected to find some troubling episodes. But what I discovered is far more disturbing than I ever anticipated."
Johann von Leers and Walt/Mearsheimer, by German academic scholar Clemens Heni
http://clemensheni.wordpress.com/2011/01/21/johann-von-leers-and-waltmearsheimer/
"Most people think that the book '[The] Israel Lobby' by Stephen Walt and John J. Mearsheimer was published in 2007 -- at the same time in the US and in Germany, by the way. Well, the first edition of that book was rather published in 1940 -- by leading National Socialist anti-Semitic publicist Prof. Dr. Johann von Leers. Von Leers published 'Kräfte hinter Roosevelt' ('Forces behind Roosevelt') in Berlin in 1940. ..."
Are We Reliving the 1930s? - How West European Philosemites became Antisemites before the Second World War; a talk by Simcha Epstein (Video)
http://www.jcpa.org/JCPA/Templates/showpage.asp?DBID=1&LNGID=1&TMID=723&FID=799&PID=0 )
The Secret War Against the Jews, by John Loftus and Mark Aarons
http://books.google.com/books/about/The_secret_war_against_the_Jews.html?id=trU7nY-T-4EC
"The authors demonstrate that numerous Western countries, especially the United States and Great Britain, have conducted repeated and willful spying missions on Palestine and later Israel over many decades. While on the surface these two countries and others profess to be ardent allies of Israel, they work, in fact, through their intelligence services to betray Israel's secrets to the Arabs. Their motive: oil and multinational profits, which must be attained at any price through international covert policies. To understand the duplicitous nature of the West's diplomatic relations with Israel, the authors contend that one must understand the history that begins after the end of World War I with the sordid Mideast exploits of a British diplomat, Jack Philby. They then proceed into a detailed discussion of the boardrooms of American and English bankers and lawyers who had strong connections with Nazi leaders and Arab oil tycoons in the 1930s prior to the outbreak of World War II. Particularly intriguing is the information that the writers present to suggest an all-too-cozy financial relationship that existed between the Allied intelligence community and German banks even during the war."
This is what's happening now. Most Jewish people don't see this. And, of course, most Western non-Jewish people don't see this. But this is what's happening now.
DeleteAgain:
What needs to be done is to dispel the widely held belief in the false narrative which is causing the West to behave in the way that it is behaving toward the nation of the Jewish people and the way that, involved with that, it is behaving toward the 'Palestinian movement' and toward the larger Islamic Jihad -- the larger contemporary Islamic supremacist political movement.
What needs to be done is to vigorously repeatedly effectively communicate the true factual history (specifically the currently approximately 90-year history), and current reality, of the situation that Israel is in to the West. And, most importantly, the leaders of the government of Israel need to do this.
Essential facts of the history and current reality of the situation that Israel is in:
Why Are These Facts Not Well-Known?
http://danielbielak.blogspot.com/2012/04/why-are-these-facts-not-well-known_04.html
Israel - A Brief Summary of the History of the Situation
http://danielbielak.blogspot.com/2011/03/israel-brief-summary-of-history-of_17.html
And:
The Lobby
http://danielbielak.blogspot.com/2012/03/lobby.html
The Occupation of Israel
http://danielbielak.blogspot.com/2012/03/occupation-of-israel.html
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DeleteAll I know about Philadelphia is that it's always sunny ...
ReplyDeleteShit, tell me about it! I have the nicest tan I've had in almost a decade.
DeleteCan't wait to soon experience my first northeastern Fall in years (55 degrees, a cool wind and multi-colored, crumbling leaves in October - paradise!), after years on the West Coast... but I'm still little worried about the winter.
Argh. I hate snow. Never got that in Oakland, and only rarely got that in Portland (overnight dustings, twice a year if that - our one 'storm' in 2008 was 3 inches, and it shut the city down for five days). But back here in Philly, we'll get a couple of storms and all that.
Bah!
Well, okay. I just have to accept that. At least I'm in my favorite city in the world, so that's all that matters! ;)
Even after it snows, the sun then comes out again. Which is always good...
Geoffff,
ReplyDeleteI readily accepted the offer as I feel that there is no group of people in the world today who have suffered so brutally as have the Palestinians people in this generation.
This person's ignorance is about as stark and vicious as anti-Jewish ignorance gets.
In previous generations we got smacked around due to the killing of Jesus or because we were capitalists or because we were socialists or because we were an inherently evil race.
This time around, in the western-left mind, it is because we are the Nazi-like oppressors of the innocent indigenous Palestinians.
Every season there is a reason.