Wednesday, August 15, 2012

Iranian General: Israel Must be Destroyed

Mike L.

Iranian officials toughen anti-Israel rhetoric ahead of Shiites' al-Quds Day. Meanwhile, families of slain scientists sue Israel

An Iranian defense official said Wednesday that there is no other way but to destroy Israel, ahead of this week's al-Quds Day, Iran's ISNA news agency reported.

Gholam Reza Jalali, who heads an Iranian military unit in charge of fighting sabotage, said that al-Quds Day, which will be marked by Shiites around the world on Friday, "is an expression of the fact that there is no other way but to stand firm and resist until Israel is destroyed."

Oh, joy.

Things just keep getting better and better.

Perhaps Volleyboy1 will explain to us how this is because of that dastardly Avigdor Lieberman or maybe it's because Caroline Glick is mean or maybe the fact that some Jewish people insist upon living in Judea is the reason for Iranian hostility.

The tendency among "progressive Zionist" Jewry, as we see with people like Peter Beinart, for example, is to blame the Jews of the Middle East for their own persecution.

And please do not think that these are "self-hating" Jews. They are not. They like themselves just fine because they consider themselves moral exemplars.

It's the allegedly immoral rest of us that they have a problem with.

102 comments:

  1. Self-righteous Kapos, I would call them.

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    1. Yes, well, and on top of that Melky Cabrera (of left field Giants fame) just got suspended for 50 games for the illegal usage of "performance enhancing drugs."

      I think that I am just going to cry.

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  2. Mikey... I gotta say.. that while the lunatic fringe meltdown is pretty fun to watch (I mean this is pure entertainment)... What's even better is that you have taken on the characteristics of your new home on the Far Right so far that apparently you have decided to emulate your new hero Mr. Romney.

    Here let me show you:

    This is you during the meltdown:

    "It is not for you to tell me where my political inclinations lie or who I am.

    In fact, it is entirely illiberal to tell other people what their identity is."


    Here is you in this diary:

    Perhaps Volleyboy1 will explain to us how this is because of that dastardly Avigdor Lieberman or maybe it's because Caroline Glick is mean or maybe the fact that some Jewish people insist upon living in Judea is the reason for Iranian hostility.

    Apparently I blame Israel for Iran. Heh... who knew. I sure didn't.

    But hey Mike, yours and the some of the rest of the fringe' obsession with me is pure entertainment gold. Heh.. Now, where's my popcorn.

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    1. There are so many questions that I could pursue here, but I suppose the main one, for the moment is your defamation of Jay.

      You claimed that he was threatening your children.

      Do you maintain this?

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    2. Heh... I notice you must have misread my post.

      I didn't say anything regarding Jay's attempted "outing".

      Now, I get why you want to skip the subject of your "illiberal" attribution of my alleged support for Iran, because you simply got caught lying and really have no defense. So you try to distract.

      What is really funny is that the other day Jesse CW on Daily Kos said I was an apologist for PM Netanyahu. I wonder if this is what they mean when they talk about the convergence of lunacy from the far left to the far right.

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    3. You claimed that Jay threatened your children.

      Do you, or do you not, stand by that charge?

      I know that you are as slippery as an eel, but wrote this:

      Hey Jay... Are you threatening me or my family? I just want to know right now. You seem to want to take personal information and publish that on the web in some sick outbreak of whatever psychosis you suffer from. You do realize that by doing so you would put others at risk including children.

      You have a problem with me that is one thing but you will not threaten my family in any way, shape or form. Do I need to be clearer?


      "You will not threaten my family."

      The clear and obvious implication is that Jay was, in fact, threatening your family.

      The truth, of course, was that he was doing no such thing.

      My question for you is do you stand by the claim?

      Furthermore, I would very much like to know what you meant when you said this:

      And Mike - you own this blog. Should something happen because this crazy a-hole is using your blog as "jump off point" then I hold you responsible.

      The truth of the matter, of course, is that you sought to drag Jay's reputation through the mud for daring to participate here, despite the fact that you do so, yourself.

      And you seem to be threatening me, personally.

      So, do you, or do you not, stand by your claim that Jay was threatening your children?

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    4. WOW.. the distraction is strong here.

      SO.. you admit that you are being a severe hypocrite when first you say:

      "It is not for you to tell me where my political inclinations lie or who I am.

      In fact, it is entirely illiberal to tell other people what their identity is."


      and then when you say (not two days later):

      perhaps Volleyboy1 will explain to us how this is because of that dastardly Avigdor Lieberman or maybe it's because Caroline Glick is mean or maybe the fact that some Jewish people insist upon living in Judea is the reason for Iranian hostility.

      ?



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    5. So... My guess is that you can't back up your words from your own diary. Excellent.

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    6. You need to answer for the fact that you have attempted character assassination upon one of my front pagers.

      You claimed that Jay threatened your family.

      We have your direct quote right above.

      So did he?

      You sought to ruin another man's reputation and you sought to do it on my blog. The question thus becomes this:

      Is it true, or is it false, that Jay threatened your family?

      The question goes directly to your integrity.

      You made the claim.

      It is a yes or no question.

      Either it is true, in which case Jay needs to apologize to you or it is false, in which you case you need to apologize to Jay for seeking to hurt him.

      I am pretty sure that the latter is true, but I am willing to give you the opportunity to publicly vindicate yourself.

      So? Which is it?

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    7. Again... not willing to back up your words in your diary eh?

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    8. You made a claim against Jay.

      The claim was this:

      Hey Jay... Are you threatening me or my family? I just want to know right now. You seem to want to take personal information and publish that on the web in some sick outbreak of whatever psychosis you suffer from. You do realize that by doing so you would put others at risk including children.

      You have a problem with me that is one thing but you will not threaten my family in any way, shape or form. Do I need to be clearer?


      This claim is either true or it is false.

      The obvious and clear suggestion is that Jay threatened your family.

      That is an exceedingly serious charge and it speaks to your integrity.

      So the question is whether or not your charge against Jay is true.

      Is it or is it not?

      Do you stand by this claim or are you willing to retract?

      It's your integrity, my friend.

      You made the claim and it is a very serious charge against the character of another man.

      Do you honestly believe that you can just go around falsely accusing people of threatening children and that you should not be held accountable for such an accusation?

      It's despicable and immoral.

      So, do you, or do you not, stand by the claim?

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    9. What does this have to do with the issue and thread at hand? I don't understand. Please enlighten me.

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    10. It has everything to do with it, when your creepy little stalker of a friend continues to stomp around the internet and lie about me.

      Hey, Reuven - if you have any integrity at all, you'll encourage your sick little rabid dog to just drop this lame shit already. I would also note that since Mike is letting this scumbag post here, he also clearly has more integrity than your creepy, chortling stalker of a friend does, too.

      But now that you're here, Reuven, what do you think of this? I mean, if I was going to out somebody whose name and phone number and all kinds of other shit I already knew, I mean... wouldn't I have done a better job of it than that? Fuck, I would have liked to have thought I'd get more credit than that.

      But of course I never did even try to "out" the simpleton, and I never would. Are you going to pretend that you don't agree with that now? Evidently, you never did tell the juvenile little tyrant to calm down, did you?

      Sad. I guess I thought more of you than I should have.

      Seriously, if youze guys really are his friends, you'll suggest to him that he seek the help he clearly truly needs.

      And that is the last time I'm ever going to make the mistake of even acknowledging this proven, pathological liar's disgusting, repeated smears of me.

      ......

      As for Stalinboy1 - congratulations, loony tunes. You officially make blueness look sane now. Are you back on the bottle again, or off for good? I'm having a hard time figuring out if you're an angry drunk or an angry sober. Or perhaps both?

      If you have proof of this felony you accuse me of, then please. Report it to the police. Here's the number for the Philadelphia Police Department's 26th district - 215.686.3260

      They're just a few blocks from me. Ask for Captain Michael Cram.

      You know my name, fuckwad. Email me for my address, I'll gladly give it to you. Give them all of your 'evidence,' and let's put this to rest once and for all.

      Time to put on your big boy pants, stalkerboy.

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    11. And you too, Reuven. Now that you're here, be a man.

      I'm telling you why it's relevant, when your loony tunes, stalker of a friend continues to say things like...

      "Jay's attempted "outing"."

      ...when what he should be saying is "my disgusting smear on Jay's character."

      Time to put on your big boy pants, too, Reuven, since you decided to jump in here on this, without acknowledging that your buddy is a paranoid, pathological liar.

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    12. I have just a moment of lucidity to break away here, but I now must share that volley is really Sauron and his eye is shining over all of us in Middle Earth. That's where those of us that live under the spell of Progressive Zionism are forced to spend our days.

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    13. So in other words, you're a sarcastic pussy who can't even admit in public that your friend is a seriously unhinged lunatic who needs help?

      That is, if my geek-to-English dictionary is correct. I mean, I'm pretty sure I turned to the proper page and all, but it is late, so please feel free to correct me if I'm mistaken.

      Thanks for confirming Mike's thesis, and for snapping me out of my ill-advised nap.

      All I really now know about Progressive Zionists is that the most outspoken of them are dishonest cowards who'll stab their friends in the back any time volleyboy1 tells them to. Continue to supplicate the master.

      Pity what happened to you, bro. I'm recalling something about lying down with dogs...

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    14. I've always been sarcastic. Look, it read to me, as someone who is friends to both of you, that you did do exactly what volley threatened. I'm not saying that you would have carried through with it, but to a reasonable outside observer it did look like such a threat.

      I am a liberal Zionist, not a progressive one. Liberal Zionism has a very different lineage and volley and I would not belong to the same political party were we in Israel rather than the United States.

      As for Lumish's thesis, it's garbage. There is a small, but very vocal, minority on the far-left that likes to demonize Israel. The same exists on the far-right. Do names like Pat Buchanan or David Duke ring a bell?

      The Democratic Party is pro-Israel out of a genuine love for the Jewish People and the genuine belief that we deserve the same rights to national self-determination in our ancestral homeland as any other people. Republicans, on the other hand, are "pro"-Israel because they want to fulfill their apocalyptic fantasies. Oh, and chomp on this: The most anti-Israel presidents, while in office, have all been Republicans. Dwight Eisenhower. Gerald Ford. Ronald Reagan. George H.W. Bush.

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    15. Look, it would just be better if you'd admit that you're afraid of even appearing to cross volleyboy. Because he's a vindictive prick, who will stalk you across the internet and shamelessly smear you everywhere you go.

      Reasonable. My. Ass.

      Point out where, Reuven. Seriously. Do it. Right here, and right now. Put up, or shut up.

      Because to even pretend for one second that, especially knowing what you know about both of us, and how close we all once were, that if I intended to "out" anybody, I sure as shit would have done a much better job about it than that.

      And even if you did believe it was a "threat," ummm... wouldn't it have been carried out by now? Seriously, this is just pathetic. You're much smarter than this.

      Why don't you just be honest? Why don't you just admit that you have nothing to lose by being disingenuous here, since I am long gone from your little group (by my own choice, I'd add), and that volley is the raging tyrant still in it... and that if you take the side of honesty and truth, over the side of that pathological liar, he will, at the very least, refuse to talk to you as a friend for at least a significant amount of time.

      Then at least you'd be telling the truth.

      I was referring to his thesis of youze as a bunch of pussies. I don't care about the rest for now. My main thing is discerning whether you know when to tell you lunatic rabid dog of a friend that enough is enough, and that it's time for the stalker to stop lying about me. Clearly, you can't.

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    16. And once again, here it is -

      If you have proof of this felony you accuse me of, then please. Report it to the police. Here's the number for the Philadelphia Police Department's 26th district - 215.686.3260

      They're just a few blocks from me. Ask for Captain Michael Cram.

      Bring it on, baby. Put up or shut up. Once and for all. Now not only volley owes me an apology, but you do too.

      I won't be holding my breath.

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    17. Hey Jay... How do you really feel? Don't hold back, man... Let it out.

      Reuven... That's 50 lashes for insubordination. NOW GET BACK THE MINES. My Eye sees all. Just remember that!

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    18. I feel that you're a creepy, odious stalker. And that you must love being repeatedly beaten by a man who is at least times your superior on every level.

      They have private rooms for that fetish, volleyboy.

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    19. I have no fear volley-sauron. Jabotinsky will save me!

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    20. Jabotinsky will hold nothing over those of us who support the philosophy of teh Ebil Ben-Gurion... He cannot save you. Nothing can save you now from my Ebil influence. (cue evil laughter).....

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    21. It is wrong to say that only Democrats hold "the genuine belief that we deserve the same rights to national self-determination in our ancestral homeland as any other people."

      That simple disparagement, that Republicans, even Jewish ones, only act in bad faith, tells much more about the underlying problems of disfunction in our society.

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    22. Nah, he won't Reuven.

      He never fancied pussies.

      Who's next?

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    23. Oh yes Jay.... more, MORE!

      UM.. do you think you can tell me where I am "stalking" you? Would it be "Divest This" which is on the blog roll at PZ and has been there for a long time... Or perhaps DKos? Or is it here at Israel Thrives where if you notice the diary calls me a supporter of Iran and I was in this long before your meltdown here. Let me know ummmkay.

      Oh hey and with your superior powers don't you think you should be using those for cause of good, not against teh poor ebilz drunk me..... Heh.

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    24. Seriously, one by one. Bring 'em on. Give them their orders, my volleybitch...

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    25. Jewish Republicans are a very small minority. The GOP's position on Israel is not driven by them, or any love for Jews, but by the Evangelicals that rule the party and they have a decidedly apocalyptic vision. Yes, Jewish Republicans might support Israel, but the GOP, as a whole, "supports" Israel because they want the second coming.

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    26. You don't deserve a whack from me, volley. I don't touch creepy stalkers. Unless they give me their credit card numbers.

      Have you reported your paranoid fantasies to Captain Cram yet? Of course not, you don't want to make an ass of yourself, you silly little liar.

      You stalker.

      I base my claim upon your showing up everywhere I am lately, and begging me to continue to beat you. You already have a couple of kinky folks on your email list, why don't you take up your fetish with them?

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    27. Everywhere you are???? Wait.. I went to Divest This! because of the argument between fiz and Mikey. And then Lumish put me in his diary here that you joined hours later. So actually I was in both diaries first... how does that make me a "stalker"? Perhaps I lack your "Superior" Skills to deduce that. Did I show up anywhere else you post?

      Awwww no whacks from you? How will I ever survive? But hey, knowing you whore yourself for money... TMI Jay. TMI... (Too Much Information).

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    28. I think your belief that only Democrats have pure motivation is nonsense.

      There are more Democrats in the BDS movement I would surmise.

      Those looking for the second coming are not solely one party either.

      What this all boils down to is a need to demonize a group that you don't like, in this case Republicans, but it extends to others as well.

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    29. Yes, everywhere I am that you know of, volleyballboy.

      And don't pretend you never showed up there until this week, and that you never even knew of the site until fizziks and I notified you of it.

      Bullshit on you not being directed there by fizziks. Don't forget that I know how your little group works.

      You became a stalker when you decided to follow me everywhere with your "omg, Jay is under my bed and threatening my children!" unhinged, lunatic bullshit.

      Which Reuven, sadly, bought.

      And which someone else, though he asked me to have Mike stop bringing your disgusting smear up, and which I did there in public as per his request, also is apparently piss afraid of you, and refused to honor my request to reciprocate by telling you to take your meds. Though he also agreed that you were out of order with your insane accusation, to me in private.

      But no matter. I guess I have to stand for myself here. Which I will. Against you, and anyone else you have. Any.fucking.body.

      You are a vile, creepy stalker who makes blueness look sane.

      Look, volleyballboy. I don't mind smacking you around in general terms, anywhere. In fact, I relish it. But when you bring up your paranoid fantasies, and when your little friends refuse to admonish you on your disgusting behavior, that's where I just have to draw the line.

      Call it what you will. Stalker.

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  3. I'll make it very simple for you: The problem with Iran is Iran. It refuses to accept the presence of a Jewish state in our ancestral homeland. It has nothing to do with who lives on what side of the Green Line.

    For liberal Zionists such as myself, the primary concern in the maintenance of Israel as a Jewish and Democratic state. That right-wingers such as yourself fail to understand this is your problem, not mine. As for me, I much prefer a Jewish state without the West Bank to a Palestinian state with Tel Aviv.

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    1. YEP! Could not have said it better myself

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    3. Actually, it is Jewish and democratic, and not a matter of Republican and Democrat.

      If you imply that to be left-wing when it comes to Israel is liberal, then we have a far different take on things. I find the Left much in cahoots with other vile enemies of Israel to exist as ANY state.

      So how is Israel really in jeopardy of being an undemocratic state? What standard do you apply to this determination? Perfection? Most indexes that measure these matters do not share your view on the matter.

      Your remark further implies that no other forces besides Israel has an effect to bringing about peace.

      Finally, there is a danger to placing the needs of Democrats above all else, so that it's okay to demonize criticism.

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    4. First of all, "Democratic," in this instance, is a proper adjective, much as Jewish is. Therefore, it is proper to capitalize "Democratic."

      Next, this is all about Israel's internal workings. To be a democratic state means that sovereignty, in at least a de facto sense, rests in the hands of the people. If a state is so constructed that it is impossible for the majority to govern, then it is not democratic. Should Israel seek to impose a one-state solution, it would then face the demographic problem that we are all keenly aware of. If Israel were to create such a situation, it would cease to be a democracy.

      I would prefer Tel Aviv without Nabulus rather than Shechem with Jaffa.

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    5. No it's not. A proper adjective is formed from a proper noun. Jewish is always capitalized because it is a proper noun. Democracy is NOT, but Democratic, pertaining to the Democratic Party, is. A democratic state is one that practices democracy. A Democratic state is one run by Democrats.

      Democracy is more than a state where the majority is not prevented from governing, whatever that means. Sovereignty, in the de facto sense, rests in the hands of the people? Can you name such a state where the people are supreme?

      The bottom line is that Israel will not exercise sovereignty over the areas it acknowledged that Palestinians have jurisdiction. That does not equate to a one state solution.

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    6. That the people are sovereign is a key concept of republicanism. It is why our Constitution begins with the words, "We the people..." I specifically referred to the de facto, rather than de jure, because a country such as the UK is a de facto republic, but not a de jure one. Similarly, the People's Republic of China is a de jure republic, but not a de facto one.

      As for grammatical quibbling, you will look to any excuse to demonize the Democratic Party.

      Now, let's get back to the issue at hand and perhaps you can address the substance of my original comment, however inconvenient that might be for your attempts to distract from it.

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    7. He's referring to the English translation of the 1948 Declaration of Independence, actually, while doing his usual snide "I'm more Jewish than you" thing.

      So technically, he's right in this instance, although you are too, in general grammatical terms.

      I hope he's not too pissed at me for busting his "gotcha" moment before he had the chance to. Maybe he's more distracted with following my stalker's next command, in spite of his better judgment, at the moment...

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    8. You've got that right Jay. Volley is standing right over here with a lightsaber ignited because the Jedi Mind Trick failed.

      You seem to think that volley is that mastermind that directs everything. Do you use Reynolds Wrap or just the generic store brand?

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    9. So now it's republicanism. A republic is NOT a democracy. Nor does representative government in and of itself result in democracy. In other words, all this legal-philosophical jargon you throw out is a bunch of nonsense.

      I did address your substance as well, as follows:

      If you imply that to be left-wing when it comes to Israel is liberal, then we have a far different take on things. I find the Left much in cahoots with other vile enemies of Israel to exist as ANY state.

      So how is Israel really in jeopardy of being an undemocratic state? What standard do you apply to this determination? Perfection? Most indexes that measure these matters do not share your view on the matter.

      Your remark further implies that no other forces besides Israel has an effect to bringing about peace.

      Finally, there is a danger to placing the needs of Democrats above all else, so that it's okay to demonize criticism.


      Jay: Israel's Basic Law: Human Dignity and Liberty and Basic Law: Freedom of Occupation, both say 1. The purpose of this Basic Law is to protect human dignity and liberty, in order to establish in a Basic Law the values of the State of Israel as a Jewish and democratic state.

      I do not believe that I am wrong on either front.

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    10. In the modern world, democracy and de facto republicanism are seen as being largely identical in that they hew to the belief that governments derive their just powers from the consent of the governed.

      Now, the substance, of my initial comment if you will because all you seem to be doing is saying, "Hey! Look over there!" You would get along splendidly with Aunt Martha given that's her trick over at the GOS.

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    11. You're still here? I thought I told you to bring on a better challenge?

      I'm sorry, perhaps I should have framed it in a more appropriate manner, considering the audience. Let's try this -

      Reuven, you're a lying pussy who says one thing to me in emails while saying another in public. Don't get angry at me because I called you out on being piss afraid of that chortling little dork, volleyballboy.

      But seriously, thanks for stopping by here tonight. I do know it gets lonely at your intolerant little Obama advertisement that nobody ever reads or comments at...

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    12. Btw, what's the matter? Ian what's-his-name hasn't written any Daily Kos diaries for youze to rip off lately?

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    13. "Wait.. I'm not?"

      You're not a lot of things, volleyballboy.

      Intelligent, foremost amongst same. Sane. Mature. Tolerant. We can go on and on here, actually.

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    14. Ummm we don't rip off Ian's diaries... We put them up with his permission. He wrote a great one today on immigration and how President Obama represents hope while Rmoney and Eddie Munster represent only fear.

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    15. No worries, school. I honestly don't feel the need to take this any further.

      Unlike Reuven, who if I say the word "volleyball" starts with the letter "v," would surely insist that it only starts with whatever letter his master insists on claiming it starts with at any given time.

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    16. If you really want to know who my master is, he's short and green with pointy ears

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    17. I don't know who "Rmoney" is, but I'm sure he's out slinging works and whatnot under the Somerset El right down the street from me at the moment...

      Unfortunately. That son of a bitch! He needs to clean the needles off my pavement, is what he needs to do.

      ;)

      I think you represent fear and smear to anybody aside from your little followers. What do you think about that?

      Or are you now going to claim that I'm not a Democrat, and not an Obama voter? This should be fun...

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    18. Sane you say? Hmmmm.... You forgot Sober too, I mean apparently I am hitting the bottle (or not) so I am not Sober either. I guess what I am not is someone that can hold a candle to your superiority on all levels and in everything. Do I have that about right?

      *NOTE: For those who are not paranoid delusional - I don't actually drink very much. But shhhh - it makes Jay happy to think I do.

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    19. Reuven - volley has very white ears. I've seen them.

      You might want to take a clue, btw, that you've now been demoted to joke status.

      Seriously, are you the best there is? If so, that's pretty sad.

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    20. That whoosh you heard was my point flying over your head

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    21. Volley- if you truly don't drink too much anymore (yeah, let's pretend that "[volley] is blunk-drogging again" wasn't a regular topic amongst your friends a year ago or so - at least I can admit that I'm a recovering alcoholic), I'm thinking that's probably even worse than if you did.

      At least being drunk can kinda sorta excuse your acting like a two-year old at almost all times...

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    22. Reuven - if you can make your 'point' in onomatopoeia, I'd suggest you stop trying. Bring on a friend who can type in complete sentences, at least.

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    23. Rmoney is slang for Romney... Just thought I would let you know.

      As far as who you are voting for... as far as I understand it is President Obama.

      I think you represent fear and smear to anybody aside from your little followers. What do you think about that?

      I have followers???? AWESOME! Oh right, wait.. I am the Dark Lord or something.

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    24. Yes, well it's a figure of speech that I didn't think about before making. Doesn't change the fact that you completely missed the point.

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    25. "White Ears"... what does that mean?

      Let's see when we went out to dinner, I had one beer, which I didn't finish. Sounds like alcoholism to me.

      You were focusing on my ears... hmmm that's a little strange isn't it? I was focusing on the food - which was pretty good.

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    26. Oh, thank you so much, volleyboy, for letting me know what silly nickname the bloggers have given Mitt Romney.

      Btw, Run DMC called on behalf of 1984, and wants to let you know that it's rolling its eyes.

      You have sycophants, volleyballboy. They're sad.

      Reuven - it also doesn't change the fact that your idiot friend is slowly turning draining your intelligence away, as you continue to stand up for the rabid lunatic.

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    27. White ears means that you're an asshole.

      Are you denying that you're white, you fucking moron?

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    28. You have strayed far afield from what is a democracy, so now it is de facto republicanism. Iran is a de facto republic. So is Venezuela. Each is not a democracy. You seem trapped inside a theoretical bubble.

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    29. Denying I'm white???? What??? Ok - your flip out is starting to get a bit weird.

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    30. Oh and Jay.... Before I go to bed... Arkham called, they said it's time for you to come back. I almost forgot to give you the message. My bad.

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    31. Volley - before you go to bed, the mayor of Pleasantville called, and wanted to make sure you're coming to the meeting tomorrow to make sure the colors stop spreading. Since you so strongly believe in that, and all.

      Here's a challenge - walk down my street, Dauphin in Kensington, west of the El, and try not to poop yourself.

      You prissy little racist, if you don't put those stupid words back into your mouth my neighbors sure will.

      Anytime, my little bitch. I even have some Dominican restaurants we can eat at. The food is amazing. If you have the balls to show up here, that is.

      Just like I told Reuven, shove you geeky little references up your ass, you little pussy.

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  4. Btw, Mike - thanks for standing up to this petty little tyrant.

    I mean, I can continue to whomp on the nincompoop, but really... why bother? He's the Glass Joe of trolling. I mean, it's rather cute to have an official stalker and all, particularly one as childish as him, but eh.

    It gets tired, knocking little things out in under 90 seconds and all.

    And I certainly don't mean in the same way volley knocks little things out in under 90 seconds...

    Anyway, thanks again. I guess it's time to update the scorecard on who my friends really are.

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    1. So I guess you don't want to comment on Mike's obvious double standard?

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    2. Double standard my ass. Although I never asked him to bring it up in the first place, he's only ever referred to it as the disgusting smear that it is from your pathetic, tiny mind. While you have continued to carry out your perpetuation of the smear on me, you sick stalker.

      Now buy me dinner again, bitch.

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    3. Why do you want to have dinner with me again? That's kinda weird. No thanks, I'll pass.

      Ummm btw Jay - do you know what a "stalker" is? I am trying to figure out just what you are talking about.

      Oh yeah, and Mr. Superiority... perhaps you could use your Superior skills (whatever they may be) and tell us all what you think of Mike's double standard of his quote on "illiberal behavior" and then engaging in the same behavior he criticizes.

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    4. Yeah, a stalker is one who follows me wherever I go. For someone who claims to never want contact with me again, yet has spent much of his last 48 hours having discussions with me online at numerous locations, I'm pretty secure in my characterization of you as a stalker.

      But honestly, it's kinda funny to me. A little, at least.

      I certainly do not want to have dinner with you again, but I'll sure let you buy it for me one more time. I'm still not sure, in fact, what the hell I ever did to make you insane. But, maybe...

      Perhaps you'd like me better if I was a Nazi like Diane Gee, or if I was a member of the Daily Qos Martyrs' Brigade?

      Wait, maybe that's got something to do with your little fantasies, too? Want. Nothing. To. Do. With. That.

      Now go lose an argument to Christy1947.

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    5. So wait.. you only went to two blogs: Divest This! and Israel Thrives all day today and yesterday? And you arrived in those blogs AFTER I did. And somehow I am stalking you???? Jay perhaps you either A. Don't know the meaning of the word "stalker" or B. Are seriously delusional.

      I think it might be A... but it could easily be "B"

      So now look Jay or should I say "Mr. Superior"... it's been a blast. It really has. But I just had a long workout tonight and it's time for bed. Gotta work tomorrow. Please though don't hestitate to continue raving. I look forward to having a good laugh tomorrow. Laila Tov.

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    6. So now you're claiming that you have been at Divest This! (a blog you didn't even know about until I told you about it a few months ago, and which you initially railed against as a probable "right wing" blog, which we sure as shit wouldn't have wanted at the group blog that you cried about and complained to quit on about 14 times, volleygirl!), and Israel Thrives (a blog you hate, run by a proprietor who drives you into insane, unhinged fits four to five times a day, and one where I am a front-pager) longer than I have?

      Volleyballboy - you are a stalker.

      This is not even debatable.

      You can at least embrace the role, and some would perhaps embrace you for it.

      I hope to find work tomorrow, too. Or maybe you can take a page out of your hero Diane Gee's book, and make fun of those of us who are still struggling in this economy.

      Fantastic snide little swipe, you are such an incredible progressive.

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    7. So then you would say it's "A" you don't know the meaning of the word "stalker" and "B" you are a paranoid delusional... would that about sum it up?

      You mean, it is actually your contention that I went to Divest This! because you are there? AHAHAHAHAHAHA. It's only been on the linked sites at PZ for close to a year. But if you must know.. I went there due to Lumish' public argument with fiz (he never asked me to go there at all). And then that I only posted here in this thread because you post here? Is that what you are saying? Let's just be clear here Jay.

      Oh and I love the "volleygirl" swipe. Boy, you sure showed me. How will I ever recover from that one.

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    8. You have to account for your defamation.

      Volleyboy1 defamed Jay. Period.

      You insinuated that Jay threatened your children and that is a charge that anyone would take very seriously.

      I take it seriously.

      If you intend to participate here then you need to either demonstrate the truthfulness of your accusation or apologize to this man whose reputation you sought to ruin.

      This is vile.

      You do not get to go around sullying other people's good name merely because you are displeased with them.

      So put up or shut up, Volleyboy1.

      Did he, or did he not, threaten your children.

      If he did then he has a big, big problem.

      if he did not, the problem is yours.

      Which is it?

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    9. My claim, as always, volleyboy1, is that you're a juvenile idiot, a stalker and a liar.

      Sometimes I don't make sense, but I freely admit that I can be completely incoherent every once in a while. It's part of what makes me unique, and is why the Ladies Love Cool Jay. ;)

      You're only good for playing with anymore (successful use of a positive anymore, Philadelphia is proud of me!). If you think I take you, or anything you say, seriously, you are quite mistaken, my creepy little stalker friend.

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    10. Thanks again, Mike. And with that, I am going to stop giving the troll oxygen.

      He simply doesn't even deserve to be acknowledged until he apologizes for his odious smear. And even then, I really have nothing to say to the guy. He only deals in character assassination and ugly, extreme partisan politics that would have made Lee Atwater or Karl Rove blush.

      He's a discredit to the entire online pro-Israel community. If I didn't know any better, I'd think he was a creation of the anti-Israel 'movement,' the worst sort of abrasive turn-off troll possible.

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    11. We have the documentation that he smeared and defamed you.

      That much is not in doubt.

      What we do not have is the evidence that you in any way threatened Volleyboy1's children.

      I would think that if Volleyboy1 could demonstrate the truthfulness of his claim against you that he would have done so by now.

      He has not.

      That being the case, the only reasonable conclusion that can be drawn is that Volleyboy1 has all the scruples of a hot pastrami sandwich!

      :O)

      Whatever.

      Tomorrow Laurie and I head up to Dunsmuir in pursuit of the beautiful native Rainbow trout that inhabit the Upper Sacramento River in Northern California.

      It's our 10th anniversary.

      And I am an exceedingly lucky man.

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    12. But what are we to expect, really, Mike? Any better? Of course not.

      We also know why he's here. Because it's clearly much more interesting to him to stalk and troll others, than it is to talk to oneself on a boring little blog that nobody reads. In other news, I think I found a pic of the guy online...

      ;)

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    13. And also, apologies for allowing myself to be dragged down into the gutter. I'm much better than that. I'm right about everything (damnit, I am!) anyway, and I have to keep that in mind. ;)

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    14. Jay...

      when you say things like this...

      Sometimes I don't make sense, but I freely admit that I can be completely incoherent every once in a while. It's part of what makes me unique, and is why the Ladies Love Cool Jay. ;)

      do you ever feel embarrassed? or say, "Holy Crap, did I just say that"?

      Just curious.

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    15. I can poke fun at myself, volleyboy1. That's the difference between you and I. I'm confident enough in who and what I am, that I can make jokes at my own expense. You, on the other hand, just are a joke.

      And with that, I have nothing else to say to you. I refuse to allow myself to be dragged into the sewer again by a gutter thug.

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    16. So in other words: "No"... Thanks for clearing that up.

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    17. Serious question - what do you get out of these churlish, juvenile comment threads you always seem to create wherever you show up?

      Don't you ever get embarrassed by the way you act? Haven't any of your friends ever told you what a fool you constantly make of yourself? I'm just curious.

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    18. So wait... because you can't control yourself and go into epic meltdowns when you see my handle somehow that's my fault?

      Look at this diary... and your comments compared to mine. I called Mike out on his obvious hypocrisy. Had nothing to do with you. Then Mike started in and you then "flipped the bunny" so to speak. These "churlish, juvenile comment threads" are all you, sunshine. Just look at the time stamps and content.

      Jay, you simply can't control yourself and while it's entertaining (in a train wreck sort of way) it's also getting kind of sad.

      Then you say this.

      Don't you ever get embarrassed by the way you act? Haven't any of your friends ever told you what a fool you constantly make of yourself?

      You keep talking about these mythical "friends" of mine. Are they people that talk to you inside your head? Because I never see anything you are talking about.

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    19. That you think this epic, all too typical screed of anger and psychological projection helps make your case is simply astounding. You act like a lunatic on the internet, volleyboy1. That nobody has let you in on this yet, and that you clearly fail to realize it, is just sad.

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    20. And now I made the mistake of actually reading your comment, rather than just rolling my eyes at its length and poor grammar.

      Are you denying the existence of an email group which you regularly spam with giggling fits of maniacal laughter at your daring and heroic feats of trolling, most often in a totally inappropriate thread? Those are the friends of yours that I'm referring to, but of course you knew that. Again, you just can't help but brazenly lie like a rug.

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    21. Ummm Jay... You say this:

      You act like a lunatic on the internet, volleyboy1.

      Well Jay, one of us acts like a lunatic but it's not me. Have you actually read any of the things you wrote last night or today? Now that is sheer lunacy. The obscenities, the delusional behavior, everything. I was not the one cursing or calling people "pussies" and other names or talking about how "superior" I was to anyone. That would be you Jay. You simply can't control yourself. Ever.

      The fact that your new buddies here just watch you go nuts and then "egg you on" is sort of sad.

      Anyway Jay... as I said it was entertaining (in a "train wreck" sort of way" but now it is just pretty sad.

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    22. Everybody has a bad night once in a while, volleyboy. For most of us it's the exception to the rule. In your case, however, I honestly don't ever recall a day, unless you were away from a computer totally, where you weren't proudly involved in numerous head-bashing screaming matches, with multiple people.

      As for the rest, you are truly a case study in psychological projection.

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    23. Yeah Jay we all do have a "bad night" once in a while but Jay... for you it is every day.

      Jay, the only one projecting here is you. You keep ascribing to me the craziness that you write. YOU are the one who keeps firing off the cuss words and the "I am so tough" rhetoric. Not me. Read the comments. Just read them. I don't call you a "pussy" or a "bitch" or anything else. That is you using those terms.

      My comments are mocking and disrespectful and they are meant to be, because your hateful screeds should be mocked and disrespected. Yours are simply the vicious ravings of an online punk and that's ok, that's how you roll. But don't ascribe that to me. You own this shit. No one else does. Just you.

      Control it Jay.

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    24. And off he goes again. I honestly don't even have to mock or parody the guy, he's simply a parody all on his own...

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    25. Jay, when you have use the "I'm rubber, you're glue" defense... you are doing something wrong.

      Just read your comments from the last 48 hours. Just read them. You are seriously out of your mind. You can't really mock or parody anything I said because I was not the one screaming "shove it up your ass, pussy", "Buy me dinner, Bitch", "take that volleygirl" and "I am superior to you on all levels". Now does that sound even remotely sane to you (well yeah, to you it probably does)?

      You own all of that, and what ever else is to come later today (which should be pretty good if the last 48 hours are any indication). If you want to act like a surly teen on the intertoobz have at it. I am not sure what you think you're accomplishing with that. I mean do you think I (or anyone else for that matter) actually think you are some tough guy? What purpose does your raving serve?

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    26. And you own every comment you've ever made. I'm proud of my ouvre, occasional warts and all. Whereas even 1% of your history would embarrass any reasonable person.

      Now stop trolling, I'm finished with you.

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    27. You know what Jay....

      I am actually truly sorry for you that you would say this:

      I'm proud of my ouvre, occasional warts and all.

      I am.

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    28. "Just when I thought I was out, they pull me back in..."

      A friend recently told me that film is better than it's generally given credit for, and that I need to watch it again. I will soon.

      Anyway. For the last time, I promise! ;)

      "I am actually truly sorry for you that you would say this"

      Says the guy who made me a front-pager at his blog from the beginning, and who had me as a part of all of his groups at Daily Kos.

      All of a sudden, I'm one of the worst people in the world...

      You're just furious at me that you forced a choice onto me a couple months ago, and that I chose Mike over you. Mainly, because he never would have done such a thing.

      And that's what your obsession with me is all about these days. Be honest for once in your life, volleyboy. Now please, go do something constructive with your time.

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    29. Your jealous, spurned lover-style act is what's truly pitiful.

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  5. So after a day and a complete meltdown by Jay...you still don't have an answer to your hypocritical claim about liberalism? Pretty much that is it... Right?

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    1. Have you reported my crime yet, stalkerboy?

      if you think you're capable of doing anything to me but inspiring the occasional chuckle, you're even dumber than you sound.

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    2. ummm just the occasional chuckle??? Jay, you have completely melted down. Do you call the ravings that you have posted in the last two days.. "just the occasional chuckle".

      Jay you have completely embarrassed yourself. Is that what you consider the "occasional chuckle"?

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    3. And now you're hunting down threads you haven't already gotten the last word into yet, eh? Volleyboy, seek a crisis hotline. I'm not even sure "meltdown" applies to you, since 'appalling' is your baseline behavior.

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