Sunday, March 24, 2013

Latest Times of Israel Piece

Mike L.

Is Israel a Sovereign State?

In a piece entitled, Sovereign State or Colony?, the well-respected American analyst and blogger, FresnoZionist, wonders about the meaning of Netanyahu’s recent apology to Turkey for the nine dead aboard the Mavi Marmara.

Among the things that many of us also wonder about is the purpose of Obama’s recent trip to Israel and to the city of Ramallah and just what the actual consequences of this trip might be? One of the few direct consequences that we see, so far, has been The Netanyahu Apology… which to my ear sounds something like a Robert Ludlum spy-novel title.

17 comments:

  1. Speaking of 'flotillas,' this idiot at Daily Kos (ughh, why do I bother going back there?) is back and on a roll lately, apparently on a mission to see just how many times, and in how many ways, he can say 'The Jews control Congress,' without actually literally saying "The Jews control Congress" in that very specific way.

    The 'debate' which follows is quite telling. It can essentially be summed up as "the diarist never said the Jews control Congress! Now go away, Joooz, we're talking about how youze guys control Congress."

    Antisemitism runs rampant amongst the alleged 'anti-racist' left.

    My 'favorite' line of theirs these days is that the deadly, ages-old antisemitic conspiracy theory that Jews secretly control and manipulate governments isn't actually an ages-old antisemitic conspiracy theory which has resulted in deadly consequences throughout history, but rather it's somehow just like criticizing the NRA. What a neat trick to whitewash their bigotry, eh?

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    1. It goes to show what morons they are when they defend that ZOG shit. The fact they have to resort to such crap to make their points is really telling; they have NO points. Or no brains; or no morals. Take your pick. Then again, many of these defenders of ZOG stuff are probably troofers and conspiracy nuts to begin with. It goes with the territory and is one reason I came to despise dKos and that whole crowd. Ironically, most of that crap came from the FAR RIGHT originally yet here are all these self proclaimed genius, only adults in the room making the same stupid bigoted claims. They give the brain dead a bad name.

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    2. The stuff is everywhere on dKos. In this diary, a usual suspect whines about the ZIONIST controlled media to other usual suspects.

      http://www.dailykos.com/story/2013/03/25/1196715/-Letters-to-Obama-from-Palestine

      "It's easier if you cast a wide net (3+ / 0-)

      As a start, may I suggest a daily visit to al-Jazeera?, both the news and opinion sections?

      It's nowhere near as radical as it's reputation here in the States, but it does operate outside the overwhelmingly Zionist US media bubble and understands that the interests of the leaders of Fatah, which controls the Palestinian National Authority, are not necessarily the same as those of the Palestinian people.

      Cutting Social Security will end my support for the Democratic Party.

      by MrJayTee on Mon Mar 25, 2013 at 07:27:45 AM PDT"

      These antisemitic nuts do nothing for the Palestinian cause except confirm that it is full of crazy haters. Absolutely full.

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    3. I am going to call our council to order, and submit a motion to revoke that character's Jay Card.

      We Jays are a peaceful people who do not brook such sentiments.

      ;)

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    4. Boy, Doodad, is it just me, or does this comment sure read like 'Now that the Jews are gone, it's nice that we can demonize Israel again.'

      ?

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    5. *While pretending to be 'fair' and 'reasonable,' of course...

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    6. It's NOT just you Jay. You have nailed it perfectly. Basically he is saying now that the Jews are gone, the haters can crawl out of the primordial ooze, rise up on their hind legs and walk erect: evolution a la dKos.

      The universe is unfolding as it should in Hateland, man.

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  2. Now excuse me while I go 'storm' our public transit system... ;)

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  3. Obama Administration quietly unblocks $500,000,000 in jizya for "Palestinians"

    "Why? The Israelis were the only ones who made any concessions: apologizing to Turkey for defending themselves. The Israelis make the concessions, the "Palestinian" jihadis get the reward."

    http://www.jihadwatch.org/2013/03/obama-administration-quietly-unblocks-500000000-in-jizya-for-palestinians.html

    Source:

    http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4360135,00.html

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  4. "Palestinians" removed map monument that showed Israel obliterated, so that Obama wouldn't see it
    http://www.jihadwatch.org/2013/03/palestinians-removed-map-monument-that-showed-israel-obliterated-so-that-obama-wouldnt-see-it.html

    Comment from (Iranian-American ex-Muslim) commenter "miriam rove":

    "not that obama would object to it anyways."

    Comment from commenter "gravenimage":

    "...Like miriam rove, I really doubt that Obama would mind this. But it certainly might have been awkward if a photographer had snapped a picture of the prez in front of such a 'monument'. ..."

    Source:

    http://palwatch.org/main.aspx?fi=157&doc_id=8704

    And:

    "Palestine" replaces Israel - PA depicts a world without Israel
    http://palwatch.org/main.aspx?fi=466

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    1. PA Chairman Mahmoud Abbas: EU Can Remove Hamas from Terror List, No Difference between Our Policies and Theirs
      http://www.memritv.org/clip/en/3774.htm

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      The "Palestinian Arab national movement" was founded in the early 1920's by Haj Amin al-Husseini, a racist supremacist anti-Jewish member of the Arab artistocratic Husseini family. Haj Amin al-Husseini founded the "Palestinian Arab national movement" to prevent the re-founding of Israel. Haj Amin al-Husseini was an early leader of the Muslim Brotherhood. Haj Amin al-Husseini resided in Germany from 1941 to 1945 and was one of the architects of the German Nazi 'Final Solution'. Haj Amin al-Husseini was the head of the Arab Higher Committee, and, as the head of the Arab Higher Committee, was the co-ordinator of the Muslim Arab self-professed "Jihad" attack on Israel by the armies of several Arab states in 1948. Haj Amin al-Husseini was the mentor of Yasser Arafat. Haj Amin al-Husseini was the originator of Fatah-PLO. The PLO's charter calls for the destruction of Israel. Fatah-PLO have murdered hundreds of Jewish people in Israel. The current head of Fatah-PLO, Mahmoud Abbas, is one of the authors of a strategic policy to destroy Israel in stages by deception -- the Plan of Phases. Fatah-PLO is a racist supremacist ideologically genocidal anti-Jewish organization originated by one of the architects of the German Nazi 'Final Solution'.

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    2. The Oslo Syndrome: Delusions of a People Under Siege, by Kenneth Levin
      http://www.amazon.com/Oslo-Syndrome-Delusions-People-Under/dp/157525557X#

      "The Oslo Syndrome examines the Oslo debacle in which Israel sought to win peace through territorial and other concessions even as Palestinian leaders assured their people their objective was still Israel’s destruction. Psychiatrist and historian Kenneth Levin relates Oslo to the long history of Jews under siege, subjected to defamation, discrimination and other abuses, seeking to end the assaults through self-blame and accommodation to their oppressors."

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    3. The Rape of Palestine, by William B. Ziff, 1938
      http://www.amazon.com/Rape-Palestine-William-B-Ziff/dp/1578988802

      "Reprint of 1938 edition. The Rape of Palestine is a scathing indictment of the British administration in Palestine. It is well documented and makes full use of quotations from the writings of non-Jewish persons who served under that administration and themselves complained of the anti-Semitism shown by government officials. Among them was Douglas V. Duff, who complained that 'it did not pay for one's seniors to think that one had any undue sympathy for the returning Jews'. Even if only one-half of the evidence amassed by the author were true, he would have proved that nearly all the persons sent out to administer Palestine were anti-Semitic and determined to evade the Mandate and destroy the Jewish national home."

      Palestine, Land of Promise, by Walter Clay Lowdermilk, 1944
      http://www.amazon.com/Palestine-Land-Promise-Walter-Lowdermilk/dp/B0007ILEAA

      Lowdermilk Makes the Case, by Allis And Ronald Radosh
      http://www.jbooks.com/interviews/index/IP_Radosh.htm

      Israel’s Peculiar Position, by Eric Hoffer, 1968

      "The Jews are a peculiar people: things permitted to other nations are forbidden to the Jews. Other nations drive out thousands, even millions of people, and there is no refugee problem. Russia did it, Poland and Czechoslovakia did it. Turkey threw out a million Greeks and Algeria a million Frenchman. Indonesia threw out heaven knows how many Chinese and no one says a word about refugees. But in the case of Israel displaced Arabs have become eternal refugees. Everyone insists that Israel must take back every single Arab.

      "Arnold Toynbee calls the displacement of the Arabs an atrocity greater than any committed by the Nazis.

      "Other nations when victorious on the battlefield dictate peace terms. But when Israel is victorious, it must sue for peace. Everyone expects the Jews to be the only real Christians in this world.

      "Other nations — when they are defeated — survive and recover, but should Israel be defeated it would be destroyed. Had Nasser triumphed last June he would have wiped Israel off the map and no one would have lifted a finger to save the Jews. No commitment to the Jews by any government, including our own, is worth the paper it is written on.

      "There is a cry of outrage all over the world when people die in Vietnam or when two Negroes are executed in Rhodesia. But when Hitler slaughtered Jews no one remonstrated with him. The Swedes, who are ready to break off diplomatic relations with America because of what we did in Vietnam, did not let out a peep when Hitler was slaughtering Jews. They sent Hitler choice iron ore and ball bearings, and serviced his troop trains to Norway.

      "The Jews are alone in the world. If Israel survives it will be solely because of Jewish efforts. And Jewish resources. Yet at this moment Israel is our only reliable and unconditional ally. We can rely more on Israel than Israel can rely on us. And one has only to imagine what would have happened last summer had the Arabs and their Russian backers won the war to realize how vital the survival of Israel is to America and the West in general.

      "I have a premonition that will not leave me; as it goes with Israel so will it go with all of us. Should Israel perish the holocaust will be upon us."

      http://www.factsandlogic.org/outstanding_hoffer.html

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  5. I must be in the minority here. I see Israel's official regret as of a piece of Mideast politics. There is not a single Arab leader in the world who has ever spoken genuinely about the so called Palestinians or even their own people. They 'express regret' or concern in carefully worded communiques when it suits them or it's unavoidable. No one takes them any more seriously than their pledges to send hundreds of millions of dollars to Gaza and Ramallah. They of course never do and no one really expects them to. This is how honor cultures operate. It's not about what they do it's about what they sort-of claim to intend to do. Imagine if you will nations that operate like professional wrestling. It's all pageantry and trash talk. Israel it seems has adopted that rhetoric because, as I said, it suits them to or its unavoidable. No one I think seriously doubted that Erdogan wouldn't chatter off another list of demands, and another and another and another. What Israel doesn't appear to understand is that they miss every opportunity to make all sorts of counter demands, which they themselves know are implausible. Israel should start making similarly grandiose demands upon Turkey. It's the noise that counts, the spectacle.

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    1. Trudy, your words make considerable sense, but don't you think that The Netanyahu Apology causes damage to both Israel, and the Jewish people more generally, in that it not only confirms the illegitimacy of Jewish self-defense not only to the Arab-Muslim world, who will take advantage of such weakness, but to the rest of the world who will think that Israel is apologizing for its own barbarity?

      You make a very interesting point when you say that it is a of a piece of Mideast politics, but of a piece or not, don't you think that the Arab states can advantage and don't you think that anti-Semitic anti-Zionists in Europe and the United States will use it against the Jews of Israel?

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    2. Well there's no doubt it's a bristling insult, particularly to the army. But one can frame it in fairly passive aggressive terms; "We're very regretful of the outcome that our actions in response to your illegal activities, was." But in a wider sense, as you note, it's already commonly understood that the rhetoric of Jewish self interest is ignored and denigrated. What matters more in this sense is actions. And for all their bluster the IHH hasn't attempted anything like that ever again. If their goal to make Jews look bad, they succeeded but to the people who already hate us. If their goal was to break the restrictions on Gaza they failed terribly. In fact since the time that Obama was in Israel, Israel's response to the 2-5 Gaza rockets was to limit Gazan fishing zones by fully half of the area permitted them. This sent Hamas crying to Egypt who laughed at them and sent them home.

      As far as what the west thinks. It could go either way. After all we in the west love a good penitent. We embrace the people who say they're sorry. It's not the crime, it's the cover up, no? So the west will feel they got their 'come to Jesus' moment out of Israel and may even be in a better position.

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    3. It's called kabuki. On one hand it masks the reality that Israel takes the high road and it's adversaries do the opposite, while on the other hand it exposes it so clearly. Depends on what one wants to see.

      Israel will continue to exercise its right to self defense as it deems appropriate. The "apology" will not affect it, nor should it. It's a diversion in my opinion, even if offensive.

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