Wednesday, February 13, 2013

A short word on Progressives and Jew Hatred

by oldschooltwentysix

This was a comment, but I decided to post it here instead, with respect to the discourse I often experience with people who define themselves as progressives. Most are not Jewish, and they are incredibly unaware of what affects Jews, or how it relates to them.

Generally, they are far removed from the fray, educated, often living in echo chambers of the like-minded, and too in a frenzy to lay the blame for the wrongs of the world on Republicans, who they ridicule and dismiss despite their ideas, as if they have no relevance in the conversation, despite that they comprise almost half the population. Many progressives love to hate corporations and imperialism, too, even as they reap the rewards. For example, I always smile when I hear Morgan Freeman pitching for Bank of America.

I digress. This site is concerned with Israel and Jews. What confuses me is that progressives, sometimes Jewish progressives, say they are well aware of Jew hatred. Are they as aware as they proclaim? What do they propose to do about it? How should one address Jew hatred in general? Not just from the Arabs, who have spread it across the Muslim world, but the Europeans with their sordid history.

Like Israel's right to self-defense, progressives seem to take Jew hatred for granted, they have it factored into their theoretical analyses. In other words, as an object for lip service. Do they offer real solutions directed at the actors? Or are they quick to criticize in most harsh terms people (often those who were persecuted first hand or apostates) with the gumption to point out both the growth of Jew hatred worldwide (which is not hating all Muslims), or that too many progressives are silent or even complicit. The fact is that too many do look away, or are ignorant, or fail to see that silence and indifference matter.

Not trying the Mufti at Nuremberg was a huge mistake, by not putting the same stamp on Islamic Jew hatred as was placed on the Nazis. Both are genocidal. Given this character of the belief, I do not see how anyhow with knowledge could claim to be a liberal and supporter of the UDHR (The Universal Declaration of Human Rights - editor's note) does not accept this truth as the point of departure upon which actors and actions are based.

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  1. This represents one of the great failures not only of the Jewish left, but of the progressive-left as a whole.

    Can you imagine if Martin Luther King, Jr. was too afraid of offending white people by calling attention to the long history of slavery or Jim Crow? That is, essentially, what are we facing with the Jewish left.

    Non-Jewish progressives have more of an excuse than does the Jewish left because of the history of European imperialism, although I find that to be a rather poor and self-indulgent reason to give up on the ideal of universal human rights.

    Progressive left Jews have no such excuse.

    I remain fairly convinced that one of the primary causes of this progressive left betrayal of their core values is/was the conflict between "universal human rights" and the "multicultural ideal."

    In any case, I do not see how one can possibly advocate for the Jewish people, or the Jewish State of Israel, while entirely ignoring the intense genocidal prejudice against Jews within the vast majority population in the Middle East.

    This is going to sound harsh, and people will take considerable exception, but the term "Jewish Tom" comes to mind.



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    1. I try to be a little less confrontational to make the point, although it is confusing why there is such a rush to protect the sensibilities of the Muslim world over the persons of Jews, not to mention women, children, apostates, Christians and all other forms of non-believers.

      There is too much humanitarian racism going on among progressives. I just watched a clip from Norway that, surprisingly, looks at Jew hatred by Palestinians in a more objective way than usual. Except, of course, for the academic and government official interviewed. They seem unable to see what is obvious. So strong is their need to contort reality and appear tolerant that they accept intolerance, not to mention the disparate treatment they have historically practiced to people who are different.

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    2. An even harsher term (not invented by me): "Uncle Jake."

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  2. Good piece, School. In my opinion, by no means should one be required to address these issues if they feel their efforts are better spent elsewhere. I would hope most of those people would agree the cataloguing of same is surely a useful endeavor, however, if only to combat ignorance if nothing else.

    It seems to be okay with most progressives when, say, SPLC compiles examples and lists of racist organizations. Quite rightly. Yet for some of them to then turn around and object when, as you mention, some choose to focus on, and highlight, ongoing incitement against Jews? Well, that strikes me as at least a tad hypocritical, just for starters.

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    1. Many also seem to believe they have superior knowledge on the issue, and therefore need not be informed of what occurs, when their knowledge is more accurately inferior.

      These are the folks that are susceptible to stuff like Pallywood and the like, or to claims that to expose the Jew hatred of Muslims is more a wrong against Muslims than the Jews that are victimized.

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    2. And to touch on that from a bit of a different angle, even if one is fully and well-aware of the phenomenon, or has even experienced it themselves, that does not eliminate the unfortunate fact of so many other people being unaware of the problem.

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    3. Clearly, ignorance is the enemy, not those who fight it.

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    4. What I want to know is what is substantively "right-wing" about standing up to the violent prejudice within a majority population that outnumbers us 60 or 70 to 1 in that part of the world?

      Was the Civil Rights Movement in the United States a "right-wing" movement because Black people were willing to stand up against the racism of the white majority population? No? Than how is it that if Jewish people stand up for our own freedom on land where we originally come from this is somehow dishonorable and politically "right-wing" and thus to be considered loathsome?

      It is humanitarian racism.

      Jewish progressives have no respect for the Arab-Muslim world which they reduce to the status of little, brown victims.

      The empire of Islam is humongous. It contains 1.5 billion people and huge swaths of land throughout North Africa and a huge portion of Asia.

      These are not people who need to be condescended to and that is precisely the way that they are treated by the mainstream western progressive-left. They treat them like ill-tempered children who are not responsible for their own behavior.

      It is grotesque.

      And what's even worse than that is that they inevitably send the signal to the rest of the world that Arabs have every right to beat up on Jews, as they've done for the last 14 centuries, because we deserve it for being mean to them.

      It's, frankly, unbelievable and no honest reading of the history of the Jews under Arab imperial rule could possibly support such an inversion of morality.

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    5. Jewish progressives are also ignorant of the European progressives that relish in anti-Zionism and cultural relativism for almost everyone except Jews, yet are so morally dense that they cannot see they practice and enable Jew hatred.

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    6. The answer, of course, is nothing. Then again, I don't necessarily think such an endeavor is 'left-wing,' either. It just is what it is. Let's call it speaking the truth.

      I could not care less what it's labeled as, personally. If 'progressives' want to cede this ground to those they label 'right-wing,' and those they view as their opponents, then please be my guest. It's a silly game I'm no longer interested in playing. I let my actions speak louder than their words, and I know exactly who and what I am. Much like this issue, I could not care less what I'm labeled as, personally, either.

      Whatever you call me, just don't call me collect long-distance. ;)

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    7. "and cultural relativism for almost everyone except Jews"

      That would be that whole 'alone amongst all people, only Jews are expected to be perfect Christians' thing again, would't it?

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  3. "Abu Khaizaran: "Since the day we were released from prison, we have been given [only] half a salary... We killed Jews. I personally killed Jews. I killed settlers and I injured soldiers. My house was destroyed. I have 11 bullets in my body. I served 22 years in Israeli prisons."

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_ruJE4V7zkQ

    Poor hard done by Jew killers. There outta be a law.

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  4. Great article, oldschooltwentysix.

    And you wrote:

    "Clearly, ignorance is the enemy, not those who fight it."

    Exactly so. Well said.

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    JayinPhiladelphia wrote:

    "The answer, of course, is nothing."

    The answer is to tell the facts of the history and current reality of the situation that Israel is in. The answer is to do so vigorously. The reason that contemporary so-called "liberals" who are against Israel are against Israel is because they believe lies that vilify Israel, and because, as part of that, and as the most important part of that, they believe lies that the U.S. government (and particularly what they view as being the "Right-Wing" U.S. "establishment") supports Israel. Therefore, it is particularly important to tell contemporary so-called "liberals" who are against Israel the facts of the U.S. ("Right-Wing") government's (the State Department's, the CIA's, U.S. executive administrations', etc.) (and also the U.S. ("Right-Wing") corporate establishment's) covert racist war on Israel.

    Facts of the U.S. ("Right-Wing") government's (the State Department's, the CIA's, U.S. executive administrations', etc.), and the U.S. ("Right-Wing") corporate establishment's, covert racist war on Israel:

    [1]

    [2]

    [3]*

    [4]*

    Note: * Information in reference to references 3 and 4

    And, by the way, the U.S. "establishment" (the State Department, the CIA, etc.) (and the U.S. corporate "establishment") is now also so-called "Left-Wing". That is: The U.S. "establishment" has been mainly so-called "Right-Wing", but is now also largely so-called "Left-Wing".

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    1. And what is crucially important is for Jewish people to join with authentically liberal-minded Arab people. Jewish people need to tell authentically liberal-minded Arab people the facts of the situation that Israel is in. I think that if authentically liberal-minded Arab people who are currently against Israel knew the facts of the situation that Israel is in they would support Israel. Authentically liberal-minded Arab people are potentially the best friends and allies of the Jewish people.

      Anti-Semitism 2.0, by Mudar Zahran (Mudar Zahran is a 'Palestinian' Arab writer and academic from Jordan who currently lives in the U.K. as a political refugee.)

      "The concept of the ‘evil Jew’ has made a well-disguised comeback: Criticizing Israel and Zionists, is now deemed a legitimate option to cursing Jews and Judaism. Not only is it open, socially acceptable and legal, but it can actually bring prosperity and popularity. This new form of anti-Semitism 2.0 is well-covered-up, harder to trace and poses a much deeper danger to the modern way of life of the civilized world than the earlier crude form of it, as it slowly and gradually works on delegitimizing Jews to the point where it eventually becomes acceptable to target Jews, first verbally, then physically -- all done in a cosmopolitan style where the anti-Semites are well-groomed speakers and headline writers in jackets and ties; and not just Arab, but American and European, from ‘sanitized’ news coverage of the most bloodthirsty radicals, to charges against Israel in which facts are distorted, selectively omitted or simply untrue, as in former President Jimmy Carter's book on Israel.

      "Why would a Palestinian be writing this? The answer is simple: The Palestinians have been used as fuel for the new form of anti-Semitism; this has hurt the Palestinians and exposed them to unprecedented and purposely media-ignored abuse by Arab governments, including some of those who claim love for the Palestinians, yet in fact only bear hatred to Jews. This has resulted in Palestinian cries for justice, equality, freedom and even basic human rights being ignored while the world getting consumed with delegitimizing Israel from either ignorance or malice.

      "Worse, just as the old form of anti-Semitism has proven itself a threat as poisonous to its supporters, as it was to the Jews, the new form of anti-Semitism 2.0 could prove itself the same -- all the more likely as we see the world tolerating Iran's nuclear ambitions not necessarily out of love for the Mullah's regime, but instead because of mental fixation against Israel. ..."

      http://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/1979/anti-semitism-20

      Palestinians: What The UN Brought, by Khaled Abu Toameh, December 5, 2012
      http://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/3482/palestinians-un

      On Campus: The Pro-Palestinians' Real Agenda, by Khaled Abu Toameh
      http://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/424/on-campus-the-pro-palestinians-real-agenda

      What Does "Pro-Palestinian" Really Mean?, by Khaled Abu Toameh
      http://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/921/what-does-pro-palestinian-really-mean

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    2. I would agree with your belief, too, Daniel. To further clarify my comment below a bit, I mean that as regards only the lies and whatnot told about me, personally. I've become accustomed to those from certain quarters, and they only mildly amuse me now for the most part.

      The lies they tell about Israel and Jews, however, certainly have the potential to be dangerous, and should be fought vigorously. There is no doubt about that.

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    3. "I would agree with your belief, too, Daniel. To further clarify my comment below a bit, I mean that as regards only the lies and whatnot told about me, personally. I've become accustomed to those from certain quarters, and they only mildly amuse me now for the most part."

      Oh, okay. I apologize for misinterpreting what you wrote and mischaracterizing what you wrote. What I interpreted as what you meant in what you wrote was actually what I interpreted to be what only maybe you meant. I felt that you may have meant something other that what I was interpreting it as maybe meaning. I just wanted to take it as an opportunity to express my understanding of what needs to be done. And I felt badly for writing in a way that I felt was cold and harsh to you. I appreciate your contributions here very much, Jay. I didn't mean to be cold or harsh to you. I apologize for writing about you in, or toward you in, the cold way that I wrote about you.

      And furthermore, or moreover, I apologize for mischaracterizing what you wrote.



      "The lies they tell about Israel and Jews, however, certainly have the potential to be dangerous, and should be fought vigorously. There is no doubt about that."

      Yes.

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    4. No worries, Dan! I did not take any offense as such to your comment, anyway...

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    5. And, again, it's the lies that are told by the U.S. government, and by the U.S. mass media, and even more so by, or more overtly by, European governments, and the European mass media, and by certain Western "academics", that are dangerous, and are what has caused many contemporary supposed "liberals" to hold antipathetic wrong views about Israel, and are what have caused many contemporary supposed "liberals" to, as a result of that, be believing lies by, and about, the racist ideologically genocidal anti-Jewish, ideologically apocalyptic, Islamic supremacist regime in Iran, and by, and about, other members of the global Islamic supremacist political movement -- lies that obfuscate the nature of, and the reality of existence of, the global Islamic supremacist political movement, and which vilify Israel -- and are what have caused many contemporary supposed "liberals" to, as a result of that, be allowing the ideologically genocidally anti-Jewish, ideologically apocalyptic, Islamic supremacist regime in Iran to be developing nuclear weapons, and are what need to be fought vigorously against -- by telling the facts of the history and current reality of the situation that Israel is in -- including the facts of the covert racist war on Israel by the U.S. "establishment".

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    6. "No worries, Dan! I did not take any offense as such to your comment, anyway..."

      Thanks, Jay.

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    7. Correction:

      "...and are what have caused many contemporary supposed "liberals" to, as a result of that, be allowing Western governments to be allowing the ideologically genocidally anti-Jewish, ideologically apocalyptic, Islamic supremacist regime in Iran to be developing nuclear weapons..."

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    8. I apologize for writing so many comments, but: again (to reiterate and make clear the main points of what I wrote -- which I think may have been buried by all of the rest that I wrote):

      Tell -- particularly to American contemporary "liberals" who are currently against Israel:

      - The facts of the history and current reality of the situation that Israel is in

      - And, in particular: facts of the U.S. ("Right-Wing") government's (the State Department's, the CIA's, U.S. executive administrations', etc.), and the U.S. ("Right-Wing") corporate establishment's, covert racist war on Israel: [1] [2] [3]* [4]*

      Join with authentically liberal-minded Arab people.

      Tell the facts of the history and current reality of the situation that Israel is in to authentically liberal-minded Arab people (and particularly to authentically liberal-minded Arab people who are ignorant of the facts of the history and current reality the situation that Israel is in and who believe lies that vilify Israel and who therefore are currently against Israel).

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      Anti-Semitism 2.0, by Mudar Zahran
      http://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/1979/anti-semitism-20

      Palestinians: What The UN Brought, by Khaled Abu Toameh, December 5, 2012
      http://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/3482/palestinians-un

      On Campus: The Pro-Palestinians' Real Agenda, by Khaled Abu Toameh
      http://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/424/on-campus-the-pro-palestinians-real-agenda

      What Does "Pro-Palestinian" Really Mean?, by Khaled Abu Toameh
      http://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/921/what-does-pro-palestinian-really-mean

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      Note: * Information in reference to references 3 and 4

      And, again, by the way, the U.S. "establishment" (the State Department, the CIA, etc.) (and the U.S. corporate "establishment") is now also so-called "Left-Wing". That is: The U.S. "establishment" has been mainly so-called "Right-Wing", but is now also largely so-called "Left-Wing".

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  5. Something that strikes me this morning, to clarify this statement a bit -

    "I could not care less what it's labeled as, personally. If 'progressives' want to cede this ground to those they label 'right-wing,' and those they view as their opponents, then please be my guest. It's a silly game I'm no longer interested in playing. I let my actions speak louder than their words, and I know exactly who and what I am. Much like this issue, I could not care less what I'm labeled as, personally, either."

    With a couple exceptions, I've always generally been the most 'left-wing,' however you want to define that, person of anyone I know in my daily, personal life. Friends, family, coworkers. Not 'extremely' so, by any means, but certainly clearly so. And it's not like I'm surrounded by hundreds of William F. Buckleys and Daniel Greenfields, either (I mean, I live in Philadelphia and I'm from New Jersey for freaks' sake!), but most people I personally know tend to range from center-left to center-right, I guess you'd say. Probably a little more than half lean (or are) Democrats, while the rest lean (or are) Republicans. With the likely exception of guns, they'd generally all consider me to be considerably to their left on most if not all domestic issues.

    They would generally be very amused to discover that there are, now over the past couple of years, a handful of random, anonymous people on the internet who consider me 'right-wing.'

    That's why I say this is a silly game which ultimately means nothing. It's just words, and virtually all of those who launch this 'charge' (not that there's anything whatsoever 'wrong' with being a conservative outside of a few internet venues, of course) use it as a means of dismissal. And that same percentage of people, I'm sure, are those who live in the bubbles and echo chambers oldschool describes in the body of the piece above. Believe me, I lived in Portland, Oregon for five years, so I certainly know that type! ;)

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  6. Also, Mike -

    "What I want to know is what is substantively "right-wing" about standing up to the violent prejudice within a majority population that outnumbers us 60 or 70 to 1 in that part of the world?"

    That may not be 'right-wing,' in its essence, but you and I certainly are, because we don't type enough mean words about Republicans and / or conservatives on the internet anymore.

    Clearly to some, who live in their own self-segregated bubbles and echo chambers and who are intolerant of all views and things ("this stupid, right-wing traffic light needs to change now, damnit!") outside of an extremely narrow ideological spectrum, this is the ultimate measure of where one stands on the political spectrum.

    ;)

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