Monday, September 24, 2012

Perhaps Obama Needs to Burn an Israeli Flag on National Television


 Mike L.

I sometimes wonder just what it will take to convince Obama's Jewish supporters of the president's unfriendliness toward the Jewish state of Israel.  So far nothing has worked.  No matter how hard Obama tries to distance himself from Israel and downgrade that country's standing in the United States, Jewish progressives (pretending to be liberals*) remain firmly committed to the most anti-Israel American president in history.  Whether its wrecking the "peace process" and then blaming it on Israel or telling Jewish people where they may be allowed to live, and thus build, in Jerusalem or comparing the rise of an anti-Semitic genocidal movement in the Middle East to the Civil Rights Movement of the 1950s or allowing Iran to get nuclear weaponry, nothing that Obama says or does can convince these Jewish supporters that Obama simply does not much like the Jewish state of Israel.

Why none of this fazes Jewish progressives... pretending to be liberals... is hard to fathom.  We often cite Jewish Stockholm Syndrome as a possible explanation, but slapping a label on the phenomenon only means so much.  In truth, I do not have an answer for just why it is that so many Jewish progressives refuse to acknowledge obvious truths, but that they do so is plain to see.  In fact, as of yesterday, we have even more evidence of Obama's disdain for the Jewish state of Israel and it's all over the news.  In an interview with 60 Minutes Obama said the following:
When it comes to our national security decisions, any pressure that I feel is simply to do what’s right for the American people. And I am going to block out any noise that’s out there. Now I feel an obligation, not pressure but obligation, to make sure that we’re in close consultation with the Israelis on these issues because it affects them deeply. They’re one of our closest allies in the region. And we’ve got an Iranian regime that has said horrible things that directly threaten Israel’s existence.
Not only did Obama refer to Jewish-Israeli concerns about the coming Iranian nuclear stockpile as mere "noise" to be dismissed, he also downgraded Israel from our number one ally in the region to merely "one of our closest allies in the region." While the "noise" comment is both disdainful of Jewish safety concerns and spiteful to the state of Israel, what I am more interested in, I think, is Obama's notion that Israel is not necessarily our best ally in that part of the world.

Just who does Obama consider to be a better ally?  Saudi Arabia?  Obama did, after all, famously bow to the Saudi monarch, but Saudi Arabia also spends millions of dollars on a yearly basis (or whatever the actual figure might be) spreading hatred toward both Israel and toward the United States.  Are they a better friend to the United States than Israel?  I certainly wouldn't think so, but that doesn't mean that Obama doesn't think so.

Or, perhaps what is more likely is that Obama had Turkey in mind.  Obama has claimed that Erdogan (unlike Bibi) is one of his favorite partners in the region, so maybe it is that country that Obama considers a better ally to the United State than Israel.  Of course, under Erdogan Turkey has joined the rising regional trend toward political Islam and now faces more toward Iran than it does toward the west, so it becomes difficult to see just how Turkey could possibly be a better ally to the United States than Israel but, again, just because I wouldn't think so, that doesn't mean that Obama doesn't think so.

Are there other possibilities?

It was under Obama's stewardship that Egypt went from the ally column to the not-ally column, as Obama himself has admitted.  Of course, that represents another very important Obama foreign policy failure that progressives (pretending to be liberals) just sweep under the rug in the hopes that people won't notice.  Those of us who participate on Israel Thrives do notice such things and tend not to appreciate it, but obviously Obama does not care what anyone thinks outside of the narrow American plurality he needs to win reelection.

So, what I am thinking now is that if Obama wishes to convince his Jewish supporters of that which couldn't be more obvious what he should do is simply burn an Israeli flag on the front lawn of the White House.  Wouldn't that be something!  He could call a press conference, burn the Israeli flag, smile for the cameras, and say something like, "Israel has no greater friend in the world than this president of the United States" as he stomps on the flames.

But, you know, I am convinced that even if Obama were to do such a thing, it wouldn't matter.

He'd still get the Jewish vote.


* Barack Obama supported the rise of the Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt.  The Brotherhood is the granddaddy of political Islam, a movement that subjugates women, is genocidal toward Jews, and that kills Gay people outright.  It is difficult to see how any actual liberal would support a president who supports such a movement.


  1. Over at dKos, serial Israel hater and dhimmi, The Troubadour is rallying the troops around Obama dissing Israel. Who'da thunk it?

    " It's Also Important That The U.S. President (4+ / 0-)

    establish some distance between American and Israeli leadership as the nascent Arab Spring governments emerge in the Middle East and North Africa.

    Iran hasn't been and is not now the center of the our evolving Middle East policy. If there's any chance of rebuilding a strong relationship with Egypt, for example, it's not going to be strengthened by the American president bowing and scraping to anyone.

    -8.50, -6.15

    by majcmb1 on Mon Sep 24, 2012 at 10:28:49 AM PDT"

    Other than far right antisemites, only a rancid Kossack mind could think that standing up for America's only REAL true ally is "bowing and scraping," especially for genocidal Nazis like the MB etc.

    Honestly, one wonders if Obama's statements to stand by Israel really means nothing more than "We will make sure to have lots of extra body bags to ship to you once it happens."

    And of course there is THIS:

    "Thanks, David! (0+ / 0-)

    It is really heartening to see Jewish progressives, such as yourself, acknowledge the undue influence AIPAC has over many in our party."

    There is ALWAYS this, isn't there? Scary Jews controlling stuff. G-od I hate that freaking antisemitic swamp.

    1. David Harris-Gershon, AKA The Troubador, is quite possibly the single biggest scumbag of all at that festering swamp of hatred, Daily Kos. And one of the worst of his kind on the entire internet, period.

      This is the guy who wants to hug the terrorist who tried to kill his wife, and who did succeed in killing 9 people, and injuring about 100, in the 2002 Hebrew University cafeteria bombing. He's trying to sell a book about his 'struggle' with this, as he formed his 'thoughts' sitting at home in his safe Pittsburgh kitchen eating cereal, while his wife was the victim of a terrorist attack.

      The poor, soul-searching 'progressive' (pretending to be a liberal - thanks, Mike!) that he is. He's still not quite sure that Jews aren't to blame for provoking terrorists into killing us. Imagine that!

    2. The Troubadour is a wolf in sheep's clothing, whatever his intentions.

      His effect is to associate Jewish virtue with Jewish capitulation and weakness. He seems to be an extreme version of those of us who believe that we have an obligation to be more moral than everyone else, otherwise we perhaps deserve whatever beating we get.

      He has the galut mentality.

  2. We've been beholden to Saudi Arabia for a long time now in order to support our chosen lifestyle, one of extremely unsustainable, sprawling automobile dependence, so I wouldn't be surprised if that is indeed the nation he meant there. But that's been true for all US presidents for the past couple of generations, and not just our current one.

    I don't doubt for a second that our president isn't exactly enamored of Israel, but at the same time I also don't quite think he's 'anti-Israel' in essence. To each their own, let's agree to disagree.

    "One of our closest allies in the region" is indeed a strange and striking phrase.

    The ultimate problem though, is that even if one were to assume that Mr. Romney would be more beneficent and friendly toward the Jewish State than Mr. Obama, the issue still remains that so many of us just don't agree with his party's stance on most domestic policies and social issues.

    Not that the Democrats are all sunshine and unicorns either, of course.

    But there it is, in my opinion.

    1. Jay,

      that's fair enough.

      In fact, you put the hammer right on the nail's head.

      the issue still remains that so many of us just don't agree with his party's stance on most domestic policies and social issues.

      Therein lies the tension.

      I don't agree with his party's stance on most domestic policies and social issues, either.

      Right at this moment.

      Right on this comment.

      You have your finger on the pulse of the primary tension within the American Jewish electorate this election cycle.

  3. Here, I think is all one really needs to know about Obama. Must be that 11th dimensional chess he's always supposedly playing:

    "Obama describes murder of U.S. ambassador to Libya and Mid East violence as 'bumps in the road'"

    Yep, American ambassadors and marines are really just speed bumps on the road of life.

  4. Man I hope this isn't true.

    "A report today in an official outlet of the Iranian regime claims that Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, the president of Iran, will meet with members of the Occupy Wall Street movement. Ahmadinejad is currently in New York City for the United Nations General Assembly, where these reported meetings will take place.
    Ahmadinejad Mahmoud Columbia

    "Ahmadinejad is also set to meet American university students, artists, intellectuals and elites, including Occupy Wall Street anti-capitalist protestors, despite the ongoing efforts made by the pro-Zionist lobbies to prevent direct link between American people and the Iranian president," the Iranian organ Fars News reports"

    Why would ANYONE want to meet with that genocidal maniac, unless.....

    1. A good number of them simply hate America, and for the vast majority of those (I'd peg it at close to 100%) it simply follows that one must also hate Israel, too.

      Never mind that if they were to, say, 'Occupy Tehran,' their heads would be removed from their necks within minutes by this very same guy, but hey...

      He says all the right things about America and about Jews, so why not embrace him?!?

      I'm just glad I have a bit of a cold at the moment, so I fortunately can't smell that evil motherfucker while he's just a few miles up I-95 this week.

    2. Jay, the idiot spoke today at the UN and Israel walked out but the US stayed put. says....

      "Sorry folks, but this is not the sort of thing that makes me proud to hold American citizenship. I'm disgusted. Hussein Obama should be ashamed. Ashamed of his government. Ashamed of his 'leadership.' Ashamed of his warped and distorted values.

      And where are the American people? How can the American people support a President who chooses a terror regime over a democracy? "

    3. It's somewhat a shade of ironic that I was kicked off of Daily Kos for not loving terrorists enough, while at the same time I come into close contact with more Muslims (African American and Arab) in one day than most dKossers do in a decade.

      Anyone who's ever been to North Philadelphia, where I live, will realize the truth in this statement.

      I should write a diary one day about this, and the fact that 'progressives' (pretending to be liberals) seem to want the Jihad more than most Muslims do, at least in America, and as far as I can tell...

  5. And by the way, Mitt's prosemitic.

    Just thought you'd like to know. ;)