Tuesday, October 9, 2012

Obama is Not a Friend

Mike L.

In a Jerusalem Post article from the editors we read:
As we’ve written before, Obama has proven during his first term to be a true friend of Israel
To which one commenter gives us the following:
"As we’ve written before, Obama has proven during his first term to be a true friend of Israel"

What a joke of an editorial.

A true friend of Israel?

A true friend of Israel will get apoplectic when some minor board approves homes to be built in Jerusalem?

A true friend of Israel demands negotiations be based on the 1948 armistice line?

A true friend of Israel describes Israel as "ONE OF" the US's close friends in the Mideast. Which despotic Arab nations are a match, I ask.

A true friend insults constantly the PM of Israel.

A true friend, a friend at all, could possibly arise from Obama's biography and political milieu?

Whoever this editorial is attempting to fool, it won't any supporters of Israel who have eyes and ears and any functioning intellect.

I wonder, how would a hostile US President- who just can't wait for a second term when he can be "more flexible"- behave?

You write: "It is in no one’s interest for Israel to be a wedge issue in the upcoming US elections."

This cliche is becoming absurd. When Jerusalem is booed at Obama's convention then you know it is by the behavior of Obama and the Democrats that the difference in support for Israel between Obama/Democrats and Romney/Republicans becomes a very real issue.

What supporters of Israel must hope and wish for- and those who can, vote for- is that Obama doesn't get a second term where he proves to even those still ignorant- by design or otherwise- just how hostile and uncaring he will be to Israeli concerns.

With a nuclear Iran on the horizon, a risk again on Obama by supporters of Israel is unimaginable.
I agree with practically every syllable.

19 comments:

  1. I agree with this part:

    "As we’ve written before, Obama has proven during his first term to be a true friend of Israel."

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    1. Well, Stuart, you seem to live in that alternative universe in which an American president can promote political Islam in the Arab world and still be considered a friend to the Jewish people.

      How you justify that is anyone's guess, but my guess is simply via denial.

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    2. No, not denial. What you see as promotion of political Islam, I see as promotion of democracy. I think democracy is preferable to dictatorships, and as public policy, I find it hard to find fault with promotion of democracy. We're not always going to get what we want, and surely dictators are simpler to work with than democracies. Democracy is messy.

      It seems you use lies to justify your hatred of Obama. He never demanded negotiations be based on 1948 armistice lines.

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    3. So, you honestly believe that the riots and rapes and murders that comprised the "Arab Spring" was actually the joyous upwelling of democracy in the Middle East, is that it?

      Ho. Ho. Ho.

      The Arab Spring is the upwelling of Arab democracy like the rise of Nazi Germany was the upwelling of German democracy.

      Hamas is the Muslim Brotherhood in Gaza.

      Do you think that Hamas is a democratic organization?

      This is beyond naive, Stuart.

      It is, in fact, suicidal.

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    4. Humans rights law determines that the purpose of Islamism is incompatible with the standards of democracy.

      Do political parties that put forward a policy that fails to respect democracy or is aimed at the destruction of democracy and the flouting of human rights and freedoms recognized in a democracy lay claim to protection against penalties imposed on those grounds?

      Should we be required to wait, before intervening, until a political party has seized power and begun to take concrete steps to implement a policy incompatible with the standards of democracy, even though the danger of that policy for democracy is sufficiently established and imminent?

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    5. Michael, do you think that there were no elections in Egypt? Were they fixed? Did the Egyptian not elect their new government? I've seen no evidence that is true.

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    6. This is just unbelievable.

      In a Morsi campaign rally they literally called for the conquest of Jerusalem and you speak to me about "democracy"?

      And what a great friend Barack Obama is to the state of Israel?

      And you do not mind if the foremost anti-Semitic organization in the world, today, comes to power in a country right next to Israel with ten times Israel's population?

      I have to say, dude, this is a very good illustration as to part of the reason the progressive-left is just dead, dead, dead to me.

      You are not supporting "democracy" in the Middle East, but the rise of radical Islam in the Middle East and you do so as a Jew.

      Would have been so blase at the rise of Hitler?

      This is beyond foolishness.

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    7. Um, no to your last question. But I have the benefit of hindsight. I don't have that with democracy in the middle east.

      I'm pretty sure you didn't answer my question. Was Morsi democratically elected? And yes, that does matter to me.

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    8. btw, the Copts are being murdered and driven out of the country.

      Is that what you would say to them?

      "Oh, well, that's democracy!"

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    9. I didn't say it was a good democracy. Only that democracy is preferable to a dictatorship. You don't agree?

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    10. Stuart, I have to say, you very clearly represent for me just exactly why Jewish people who care about the well-being of their fellow Jews in the state of Israel very much need to get out of the progressive-left.

      What we are seeing in the Arab world is not about democracy. It is about the rise of political Islam which is a form of dictatorship. It is theocracy. It is the Sharia in which Jews are condemned to live out their lives as "protected" dhimmis.

      You are supporting a president who supports a political movement that has the subjugation of your own people, the Jewish people, as one its cornerstones.

      This is suicidal and does, in fact, very much bring to mind the ease with which the Nazis convinced the Jews to blithely march into the camps.

      We do not know what the ultimate results of the rise of radical Islam during Obama's tenure will be, but we do know that it is a vast and growing movement, promoted by this president, and that it holds contempt toward Jewish people at its core.

      The obvious truth, of course, is that it is senseless for Jewish people to support a movement that holds Jewish people in violent contempt under the pretense of "democracy" when the movement, itself, is anything but democratic.

      In my opinion, Jews who support the so-called "Arab Spring" are toying with the lives of their fellow Jews in Israel.

      As I say, this goes well beyond foolishness into a sort-of realm in which "democracy" means suicide and supporting the "liberal" position means supporting the oppression of women, the genocide of the Jews, and the outright murder of Gay people.

      You're making a pact with the "devil" and you are making a potentially deadly mistake.

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    11. To some, democracy means holding an election. This misses the point of what a democracy is and what are the requirements necessary for a democratic society. It is not at all improbable that totalitarian movements, organised in the form of political parties, might do away with democracy, after prospering under the democratic regime. Where should one draw the line?



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  2. This is just unbelievable.

    The Muslim people are 1.5 billion strong. They outnumber Jews by a factor of 100 to 1.

    Yet progressive-left Jews will support a president that supports a movement among Muslims in which the subjugation of Jewish people is a central part of its traditional ideology.

    And then they get mad when some of us start discussing "Stockholm Syndrome."

    It just amazing.

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  3. To some Jews, shouting democracy is simply a mirage to hide their self loath behind.

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    1. Stuart doesn't have self-loathing.

      He's not a self-hating Jew.

      He's actually a very intelligent and honorable man who is holding to some politically fashionable beliefs that are just... dead wrong.

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    2. Thank you, but I've never been fashionable in my life.

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  4. I don't believe Morsi was democratically elected anymore than I think that Hamas was democratically elected.

    To have a democratic election you first have to have a democracy. One election a democracy does not make.

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    1. Yup.

      And we both saw the reports of the violent suppression of the Copt vote.

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  5. Here's ANOTHER Dem who is no friend to Israel....Lois Capps.

    "Capps has been consistently hostile to the U.S.-Israel alliance. She has accused Israel of war crimes, befriended the radical Islamic group CAIR, refused to sign bipartisan letters of support for Israel, and supported the libelous Goldstone Report.

    ECI's executive director Noah Pollak said: "If there is a member of Congress whose foreign policy record is more extreme than Lois Capps', I can't think of one. Throughout her career, she has demonstrated an inability to distinguish between America's friends and enemies and has repeatedly attacked America's closest ally in the Middle East -- Israel."

    http://israelmatzav.blogspot.ca/

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