Sunday, October 23, 2011

Hamas Vows to Abduct More Soldiers

Head of Hamas' military wing Ahmed Jabari said Saturday that Hamas will continue to abduct Israeli soldiers. In an interview with a Hamas-affiliated media outlet he stated: "We will continue to abduct Israeli soldiers and officers as long as there are Palestinian prisoners in Israeli jails."

It seems to me that it is well past time for Israel to get serious about Hamas.

Hamas needs to be put out of business... permanently.


  1. Curious, how do you propose putting Hamas out of business permanently?

  2. Anon,

    Curious. Do you think that would be a good thing?

  3. Hey anonymous,

    I do not know who you are or what your background is, but let me assure you that Jewish people today... particularly Israeli Jews... are not the old-style, cringing Ghetto Jews that many people are more familiar with and prefer.

    That much I promise you.

  4. You didn't answer my question. How do you propose putting Hamas out of business permanently? Details please. Can you answer that or not?

    oldschool: I'll answer your question once mine is answered. I asked first. Thanks.

  5. Anon,

    It's not good form to bait people on their own forums.

  6. Anon,

    You did not ask me anything to answer first.

    So I ask again: Do you think putting Hamas out of business permanently would be a good thing or not?

  7. Bait people? I'm asking a very simple question based on a statement put forth by this blog.

    I'm asking how karmafish, and yes, you too oldschool, how you would propose putting Hamas out of business?

    Simple question for all of you. Answer it and I'd be happy to answer yours. Thanks!

  8. Anon,

    I made no suggestion, however, despite your assumption.

    On the other hand, I asked you a simple question. Your choice whether or not to answer.

  9. In other words, Anon, do you think it's fair to conflate one situation for another?

  10. Both Hamas and Fatah will be paying money to the released murderers.

    Kossacks are happy for these families as we saw from Assafiban's well rec'd diary.

    What a messed up world.

  11. It's basically a confluence, Doodad, as I am sure that you know, between the "Palestinian narrative" of uber-victimhood with a post-colonial theory that sees all people of color as victims and white people, therefore, as victimizers.

    And in this case, of course, Israel is associated with colonizing white people and is thus "bad" in the minds of progressive ideologues.

    Each and every generation we pay the price for their accusations.

  12. CiF Watch has some really good juxtaposition.

    Enough to make the anti-Israelist proud.

  13. Paul in San FranciscoOctober 23, 2011 at 7:07 PM

    I'll answer the question. Put them out of business militarily, if necessary. If Hamas continues to try to abduct Israeli soldiers, then the IDF should shoot or arrest any Hamas folks engaged in the effort. Anytime Hamas tries to lob a rocket over the border, shoot the assholes involved. Anytime someone from Hamas tries to bomb a pizza parlor or a bus or a market, shoot or arrest the assholes involved.

    The Israeli government, regardless of which party is in charge, has a solemn obligation to protect its citizens from attacks by Hamas. Further, Israel has the right under international law as a sovereign nation to use deadly force to protect its citizenry. So if the business of Hamas is attacking Israelis, then Israel should use deadly force to put Hamas out of business.

    There's your answer. I see you are still hiding behind the cowardly "anonymous" moniker, troll.

  14. I don't see the guy as a "troll."

    It was a legitimate question and thank you for answering it, Paul.

  15. Oh, and btw, the reason that I didn't answer the question is because the question was leading. The question, in and of itself is legitimate, but my mind reading skills indicate the motive behind the question is not.

    The questioner wanted me to say, or so I suspect, precisely what Paul did say, so that he could then turn around and start name-calling.

    I could be wrong, but that's my guess.

    The thing of it is, we must get beyond our squeamishness at Jewish self-defense. The Jewish people have, particularly given our history, every right to defend ourselves to the hilt.

    2,000 years of diaspora.

    1,400 years of dhimmitude.

    All culminating in that rockin' good time in early-mid twentieth century Europe.

    These people are in no position to give us lectures on morality or ethics or even basic human decency. No way. Israel must remain strong and if Hamas continues to try to kill innocent Jewish Israeli civilians than it may, I am sorry, have to be put down like a dog.

    That's an ugly fact.

    There is no way in hell that western progressives are going to convince Israelis, at least those outside of Tel Aviv University, that their only real moral option is to allow themselves to get rocketed.

    No way.

  16. Paul in San FranciscoOctober 23, 2011 at 10:07 PM

    Well, if this "anonymous" is the same "anonymous" that has been posting here for the past few days, then it doesn't matter what we actually say. "Anonymous" will read into our statements whatever he or she wants, and twist our actual words into whatever imaginary statements he prefers for the convenience of his worldview. That's why when I wrote about Arab Spring, and never once mentioned Islam or Muslims, he distorted my statement to be about Islam.

  17. I'm not sure why being anonymous is so awful. We're all anonymous on the Web!

    Well Paul, thanks for your answer. Indeed, Israel has a right to defend itself. Which isn't at issue. The question was, how does karma propose putting Hamas out of business "permanently". Your solution, Paul, does not put Hamas out of business permanently. A tit for tat with Hamas militarily strengthens Hamas. Putting an end to Hamas permanently would require re-occupying Gaza and killing thousands of people, and even that will not put an end to Hamas. Occupying south Lebanon created Hezballah and strengthened them over the years.

    So got any better ideas?

    And yes, I would like to see an end to Hamas. But it's not really up to me. But I'm still open to hearing new, fresh ideas. How about another try? How to end Hamas permanently when we know that military action won't?


  18. and p.s., I have not been posting here the past few days. I've only posted here today.

  19. Oh, and the truth of the matter is that it is people who conflate our criticisms of Islamism with Islam who are spreading bigotry and hatred toward Muslims.

    To conflate Radical Jihad with regular Muslims, as the left almost always does, is the true racism and bigotry in this equation.

  20. Karmafish,

    "The question, in and of itself is legitimate, but my mind reading skills indicate the motive behind the question is not."

    That was my direction of thinking too. He wanted such an answer he could point to on his anti-Zionist home base as "proof" that "dhose Dhionithtth are eevul."

    Anonymous (one of them),

    "I'm not sure why being anonymous is so awful. We're all anonymous on the Web!"

    Pseudonymity is better. It preserves your privacy while maintaining distinctions.

    "Putting an end to Hamas permanently would require re-occupying Gaza and killing thousands of people,..."

    So you think regular Joe Gazan is part of Hamas? Interesting. When I even just tiptoe around that idea, the R-word is lobbed at me (by the anti-Zionists) within a nanosecond.

    "So got any better ideas?"

    Yes, but see above (my reply to Karmafish) for the reason why I won't go into it.

    "How about another try? How to end Hamas permanently when we know that military action won't?"

    If you're talking about more land concessions, then that's the thing that strengthens and emboldens people with an imperialist agenda—Hamas definitely qualifies—more than anything else. Nothing like caving in to their demands could encourage them to go further demanding, backed up with more of the same terrorism.